Why aren’t the government doing more?! Are they trying to achieve herd immunity?!

[bootsandcats08]

Why the heck aren’t the government doing more? Don’t you think it’s getting ridiculous now?!

UK to has had the highest cases in Europe!
Are we supposed to just live like RBI’s now? Accept it?!

Surely this is much much worse than in March and back then a lockdown was imposed!! Why aren’t they doing more?!

Are they trying to just achieve some sort of herd immunity???

How about your bit to help OP. Why dont you sign up to one of the many clinical trials on the vaccine.
If we have a succesful vaccine we wont have to lockdown we can treat.

“Ffs those who want a national lockdown just stay inside. Stop trying to force everyone else to adhere to the hysteria and just look after yourselves“

THIS in spades!!!

@wheresmymojo still missing the point of the full rest of my post

@Ouchy

“Ffs those who want a national lockdown just stay inside. Stop trying to force everyone else to adhere to the hysteria and just look after yourselves“

THIS in spades!!!

Agree with this

@justanotherneighinparadise

Ffs those who want a national lockdown just stay inside. Stop trying to force everyone else to adhere to the hysteria and just look after yourselves.

This.

“Just look after yourselves”
Complete & utter failure to understand
a) the herd immunity plan that Heneghan & Co are advocating, which involves protection of vulnerable not just kicking people to the kerb
b) the fact that beyond 4 or 5 outliers (Gupta, Heneghan etc) virtually all scientists are united in saying herd immunity will not work (reinfection, chronic illness among survivors, impossible to shield vulnerable, huge death toll etc)
c) the fact that in an epidemic your shitty decisions affect everyone - no man is an island kind of thing
d) economy & healthcare will be terribly damaged, leading to huge unintended suffering & death

What kind of society have we become?

Christ on a motherfucking bike...some of the stuff on here is really starting to get to me, I remember now why I deregistered in March.
And if people think about signing anything co signed by Sunetra Gupta, please read some of the opposing views. Her views and others on her wavelength, have been seen as quite controversial, and short sighted, art Covid. Devi Sridhar has written some interesting articles on some of her viewpoints. This article, links to the letters from Gupta, Heneghan et al, and the opposing views of (including Whitty, Vallance and Sridhar)
here

“Ffs those who want a national lockdown just stay inside. Stop trying to force everyone else to adhere to the hysteria and just look after yourselves

So those who think this global pandemic, highly infectious, as was first feared, and ten times deadlier than flu virus is hysteria

You give up your right to the NHS, social services and the police

Sign a waver. That you would not require those tax paid services in the event of mass outbreak. An outbreak that back in March was killing someone in the UK every 2 minutes, and would have escalated from there without lockdown

This is a crisis

it is a crisis of our own making

approx 1,500 people die every day in the UK. Why is it that only covid deaths matter?

@Bupkis I think this article is better:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/29/rival-scientists-lockdowns-scientific-covid-19

As @mac12 says, these are outlier views.
mobile.twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1313570825627480067

approx 1,500 people die every day in the UK. Why is it that only covid deaths matter?

They die in normal circumstances, circumstances that we had previously been prepared for.

On one day, in the second week of April 2020, at least 1500 people died of covid19. In ONE day.

What do you think would have happened if this had been allowed to continue?

[quote CoffeeandCroissant]@Bupkis I think this article is better:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/29/rival-scientists-lockdowns-scientific-covid-19

As @mac12 says, these are outlier views.
mobile.twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1313570825627480067[/quote]
It is better. I just tried to find an article with both letters...and I was cross.
Funnily enough, I was just going to post
Christina Pagel @chrischirp**
I can't even...Scientists aren't divided. There are maybe max 4 or 5 scientists pushing "let the young get it" in the media. On the other "side" are the CMO, CSO, NHS, BMA, WHO, ECDC, CDC, any pretty much any public health expert you care to name.
Which you've just linked to!

@Worriedmum999

By xmas when the hospitals are overflowing, people are dying in the street and there is anarchy then everyone will feel as anxious as you OP. All these ‘let’s get on with lifers’ are stupid. It would be lovely if we could but, with that much death, no one would have any access to healthcare and people would be scared to go out. They’ll be the first ones moaning as well when schools grind to a halt and have to close.

Fucking nora.

You'll make yourself ill thinking like that.

I wish I could see estimated numbers for in covid deaths if we do lockdown. If you add those to lockdown numbers, and just include direct deaths, I will be amazed if they don’t exceed covid deaths.

Even listening to radio 4 tonight about surgical waiting times increasing. Dear god. I think inverses covid deaths, whilst horrific, will cost fewer lives.

By xmas when the hospitals are overflowing, people are dying in the street and there is anarchy then everyone will feel as anxious as you OP. All these ‘let’s get on with lifers’ are stupid. It would be lovely if we could but, with that much death, no one would have any access to healthcare and people would be scared to go out. They’ll be the first ones moaning as well when schools grind to a halt and have to close

Hear hear

In the UK alone, 1500 deaths a day back in April, someone died every 2 minutes and they want a return to that fucking nightmare and worse!

You do know that the main reason we're recording more cases is because we're testing more, don't you?

I wish people would stop with the “we know people don’t develop immunity and can be reinfected”. It’s total rubbish- we see people developing an immune response the same as to other viruses. Some individuals are alleged to have caught it twice but (I) this is a new disease and testing is unreliable so they may not have had it both times, (II) some individuals don’t become immune to certain viruses (such as chicken pox) but that doesn’t mean the vast majority don’t and we can’t achieve herd immunity. Also if you don’t become immune from getting it, a vaccine won’t help as you won’t develop immunity from that either.

@Sharpandshineyteeth

Because hardly anyone is dying from it. More people are dying of flu. We aren’t making any adjustments for flu.

This a complete and utter lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such nonsense. Covid has a much higher death rate than flu.

we see people developing an immune response the same as to other viruses.

Do we? Enough to be sure?

We don't know this yet about this virus. It's a new cornavirus. It's too early to tell if someone can build any kind of long term significant immunity to it. We're in uncharted territory.

It was only named in January

I cannot believe the selfish entitlement and total stupidity of some posts here.
OP I'm with you, there's a shedload that should and could be done, those who want to "just live" I'm sure will be reconsidering in the very near future.
Hope I'm wrong but this government has hardly instilled any faith in me!

@CayrolBaaaskin reinfection has been genetically proven. Some of the cases saw more severe illness on second infection, this is not unexpected because of ADE seen in other coronaviruses in animal populations.
You are correct, we do not know proportions nor length of immunity - we know from other endemic coronaviruses that it’s a spectrum, from 3 months to about 3 years, median was 9 months if I remember correctly. Again, proportion unknown - we will have more data next year. Watch Iran for early signs. We have to hope it’s a v tiny proportion.
Yes, it does mean doubts about efficacy of a vaccine.
Above all, it means allowing infection to become widespread & thus increasing chances of reinfection, particularly among those possibly already weakened from first infection, is fool-hardy. How many rounds of infection will your body sustain? Nobody has those answers right now. We need to buy time for science & hopefully an effective vaccine.

@BillywilliamV

You do know that the main reason we're recording more cases is because we're testing more, don't you?

Well, yes we are testing more...but the rate of infection going up, is the key thing. ..the rise in numbers of positive tests represents a real rise in the number of infected people. Data collected on 120 000-160 000 people in England showed stable levels of community infection in May and June but increasing levels of infection in July and August, with most recent figures suggesting a doubling time for infections of 7.7 (95% credible interval 5.5 to 12.7) days. (British Medical Journal)

Alongside this, gradually deaths are creeping up, hospitalisation are increasing and more patients are on ventilators.

@BillywilliamV

You do know that the main reason we're recording more cases is because we're testing more, don't you?

@BillywilliamV think this explains things pretty clearly for you....

@Flaxmeadow

approx 1,500 people die every day in the UK. Why is it that only covid deaths matter?

They die in normal circumstances, circumstances that we had previously been prepared for.

On one day, in the second week of April 2020, at least 1500 people died of covid19. In ONE day.

What do you think would have happened if this had been allowed to continue?

we'd much nearer herd immunity for one thing

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest

The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 25 September 2020 (Week 39) was 9,634

Of the deaths registered in Week 39, 215 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 2.2% of all deaths in England and Wales

In the same week, influenza and pneumonia is mentioned in 1,172 deaths

"Influenza and Pneumonia" is a well-understood cause of death involving respiratory infection that is likely to have somewhat similar risk factors to COVID-19.