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Circuit breaker Scotlandn

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User56770987 · 06/10/2020 05:49

www.thesun.co.uk/news/12855670/coronavirus-scotland-lockdown-sturgeon-circuit-breaker/

It's really happening according to the Sun. Do you think its worth it? Will England follow during their half term?

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NotAnActualSheep · 07/10/2020 16:38

The text of her statement is here. Just in case there is any confusion!

mylittlesandwich I don't think she mentioned a closing time for hotel restaurants either in or outside the central belt. Only that they mustn't serve alcohol. These things are usually put up in the guidance documents on the scot gov website later on the day, though.

ListeningQuietly · 07/10/2020 16:40

What support for people is there beyond Universal Credit when the businesses fold ?

dementedpixie · 07/10/2020 16:42

Theres supposed to be a new support package too

ListeningQuietly · 07/10/2020 16:50

Theres supposed to be a new support package too
Bet it won't help self employed gym instructors
and all of the other people hardest hit by lockdowns

RaraRachael · 07/10/2020 16:55

@Lazt

She can fuck right off!
This - absolutely.

We live in one of the lowest areas but we all have to suffer. WHY is the whole of Scotland having to suffer this shit?

Orangeblossom7777 · 07/10/2020 17:02

Oh great, my dad is in Forth valley a village and not high numbers, but won't be able to take the bus. Fab.

Orangeblossom7777 · 07/10/2020 17:05

However, they will be able to serve alcohol outdoors between 1800 and 2200 BST

Sounds like fun, in the blustery Scottish weather..

REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS · 07/10/2020 17:08

That's more jobs lost. What an utter shower.

Fridgeandkitchen · 07/10/2020 17:33

This is an absolute shit show. People are just going to drink at home. At least if people had a drink in a pub or a restaurant they are covered by track and trace.

Caplin · 07/10/2020 19:47

There is a £40m support package. To put it in perspective, Liverpool has a £40m support package. That money has to cover all of Scotland.

This is carnage, particularly for smaller bars and restaurants.

There are small bakery cafes that now can’t open because they do a glass of Prosecco with afternoon tea, even if they take it off the menu for 2 weeks, the fact they have a licence means they need to shut.

I would be less bothered if there was a proper safety net, but there isn’t.

emptyshelvesagain · 07/10/2020 20:01

@Caplin

Sturgeon did say she will be seeking help from the U.K. government on top of the £40m

MarshaBradyo · 07/10/2020 20:02

[quote emptyshelvesagain]@Caplin

Sturgeon did say she will be seeking help from the U.K. government on top of the £40m [/quote]
Wouldn’t the NW be better off to get extra help based on numbers?

Caplin · 07/10/2020 20:03

@emptyshelvesagain maybe she should get that in the bag before people close up the shutters and make people redundant. I know of at least one business that folded on the back of her announcement this afternoon, they couldn’t take anymore.

emptyshelvesagain · 07/10/2020 20:04

Wouldn’t the NW be better off to get extra help based on numbers?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

emptyshelvesagain · 07/10/2020 20:05

@Caplin

Yes, it absolutely should have been sorted one way or the other before this announcement today. Another mess.

Caplin · 07/10/2020 20:06

I was on a call with government this afternoon after the announcement, they had no idea how businesses would access the money. When you are on a knife edge you can’t wait for them to figure it out.

BBCONEANDTWO · 07/10/2020 20:07

WTF is she doing. Open/close/open/close. Scotland better not get independence they will never survive with this shambles of a government.

MarshaBradyo · 07/10/2020 20:10

It’s madness. Anyone can order businesses to close to cut down cases. Without the money it’s empty promises.

If anyone should co ordinate a lockdown and money it’s NW

What a mess

NotAnActualSheep · 07/10/2020 20:21

@Caplin

I was on a call with government this afternoon after the announcement, they had no idea how businesses would access the money. When you are on a knife edge you can’t wait for them to figure it out.
That is shocking. It was kind of obvious when she mentioned "consultation with the sector" in response to someone's question that they really haven't thought this through. Wtaf were they doing earlier this week when they obviously knew what they were going to announce but didn't want to actually announce it? Surely this is the absolute minimum that should have been able to say before making an announcement that will kill people's jobs and businesses Angry.

It is also such an arbitrary decision. Why not just temporarily suspend the alcohol licences of all restaurants and cafes rather than force them to close (in the central belt) on the grounds of whether they have a licence or not? As you say, you can now have cafes that can't open because of the prosecco, but you can also presumably have non licensed restaurants (byob Indian restaurants, for example?) that can open (6am-6pm)... when the risk there is no greater or less than another restaurant that doesn't serve alcohol. Can licensed premises temporarily surrender their licence for the duration, I wonder?!

MissEliza · 07/10/2020 20:31

So a restaurant with a licence has to close completely? The local coffee shop where my df lives has a licence to serve Prosecco with afternoon tea. Does that mean they have to close rather than just not serve it? Wtaf?

PracticingPerson · 07/10/2020 20:42

@BBCONEANDTWO

WTF is she doing. Open/close/open/close. Scotland better not get independence they will never survive with this shambles of a government.
The BBC is reporting that England is looking at the same, so I'm.not sure independence or union is going to make much difference.

The virus is out of control again.

They are all trying to avoid shutting schools and workplaces that are not hospitality venues.

NotAnActualSheep · 07/10/2020 20:45

They will have to close completely if they are in the 5 health boards in the "central belt". Elsewhere they can open until 6pm and not serve the alcohol. It is wtaf indeed! So unfair on them.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 07/10/2020 20:46

omnishambles

ThatDamnScientist · 07/10/2020 20:47

@GabriellaMontez

The North west has been in local lockdown since july 31st. Rates continue to rise. It's almost as if lockdown isnt effective.

What good would this do?

I'm in the northwest, we are not in lockdown; we have tighter restrictions. I can go waltz around primark, stop for a coffee in Starbucks, chat with other parents in the park playground whilst our kids clamber over the equipment and play together - if I so choose. The only thing I can't do is go into someone else's garden/house and stay in a pub/restaurant past 10. This isn't lockdown. The restrictions are not curbing/slowing the virus that much.
MissEliza · 07/10/2020 20:49

@PracticingPerson yes we all get that. I have two questions: 1) where is the evidence that these places are significant drivers of infection and 2) is the economic damage caused worth it? . Oh and a third, is a nice little cafe in a leafy suburb the same as a boozer in Glasgow city centre?