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Circuit breaker Scotlandn

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User56770987 · 06/10/2020 05:49

www.thesun.co.uk/news/12855670/coronavirus-scotland-lockdown-sturgeon-circuit-breaker/

It's really happening according to the Sun. Do you think its worth it? Will England follow during their half term?

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pepperminttaste · 06/10/2020 16:27

@emptyshelvesagain

Still not sure what point you're making. I didn't anywhere say the council hadn't prepared prior to double checking access, nor did I say lockdown was an inevitability, just a possibility.

Equally unsure what we're adding to the thread with this.

Anyway, interested to see what is actually announced tomorrow. And yes, @NotAnActualSheep I noticed that 'not closing schools' didn't rule out blended learning... Would 2 weeks of blended learning really make a difference though?

palacegirl77 · 06/10/2020 16:29

Have you seen how many deaths there have been in scotland recently? How on earth can they justify locking people down again? If needed the vulnerable should hibernate for a bit.

emptyshelvesagain · 06/10/2020 16:37

Still not sure what point you're making. I didn't anywhere say the council hadn't prepared prior to double checking access, nor did I say lockdown was an inevitability, just a possibility.

You also didn't say they were double checking, you said you were asked to confirm. This could mean you had been previously asked, equally it could me you were not. I read it as not. Then you said it was 'obvious' what was coming, now it's just a possibility! Let me remind you.....

We are preparing (unofficially) for a week of ''blended learning' after our October week. We all had to confirm a couple of weeks ago that all children in our class had access to the internet.

It was pretty obvious then what was coming.

Equally unsure what we're adding to the thread with this.

I'm reiterating my point based on what you said in the first place because you keep coming back with something else.

Torvean32 · 06/10/2020 16:58

She couldnt justify a national lockdown 79% cases are in in Glasgow Renfrewshire etc, basically the west. 3 health boards have 0 cases. She needs to be stricter in Glasgow areas but that's not going to happen is it.

nibdedibble · 06/10/2020 17:05

@cologne4711

it’s just a fact that limiting trips outside means less transmission of the virus

That's not true at all. There is very very little evidence indeed of transmission outside. It may make sense to close pubs or reduce their opening hours more (though I suspect they'd close for good, then) and no evidence that travelling more than 5 miles from your home or crossing county borders increases the likelihood of the virus spreading.

The rules in Scotland have been stricter all along. At first the rate of cases was much less than in England, but that's not the case anymore (at least in comparison with most of the south of England), so clearly the restrictions aren't working. Doesn't seem much point making them stricter.

You’re right! I expressed that badly. I meant trips to places like shops, pubs, restaurants, houses...The fact that outdoors is pretty much safe is really heartening.
WiserOwl · 06/10/2020 17:10

Really? They thought about thos in ireland but because of the boarder with NI realised it would be for nothing.
Scotland would have the same issue.

NotAnActualSheep · 06/10/2020 22:13

[quote pepperminttaste]@emptyshelvesagain

Still not sure what point you're making. I didn't anywhere say the council hadn't prepared prior to double checking access, nor did I say lockdown was an inevitability, just a possibility.

Equally unsure what we're adding to the thread with this.

Anyway, interested to see what is actually announced tomorrow. And yes, @NotAnActualSheep I noticed that 'not closing schools' didn't rule out blended learning... Would 2 weeks of blended learning really make a difference though?[/quote]
I don't think she actually said it would be 2 weeks, though... that's just what the rumours have been. Her words were...

However, we are considering what additional targeted steps we can take over next couple of weeks - in addition to the household restrictions currently in place - to further stem the spread, while we continue to strengthen – which is an ongoing process – our overall resilience in terms of living with this virus.

So if blended learning is the plan, it would be put in place "over the next couple of weeks" (as some schools are already on holiday... some next week, some the following week) but could be in place for some time. I'm probably just being too suspicious/pessimistic though... But she did seem to pick her words carefully (and mentioned "two weeks", but in the context of "where we were two weeks ago" ...just psychologically making us think this is the duration for any new restrictions). But nothing we can do til she announces tomorrow. So frustrating.

pepperminttaste · 07/10/2020 06:52

You could be right @NotAnActualSheep... And sometimes it helps to think of worst case scenario, to get mentally prepared just in case!

Not too long now until we find out.

MissEliza · 07/10/2020 07:16

@cologne4711 you're absolutely right. Scotland also eased things later yet cases seemed to increase sooner after easing than in England. In the south of England, where I live, things eased much earlier and our cases are far lower than Glasgow, where my family live.
I really wonder how much authorities on both sides on the border are studying where infections are happening in order to identify strategies. It seems like they're just coming up with blanket measures. If they could say eg 35% of cases happen in house parties then I'd understand the need for restrictions. What I'm saying is I'd like to know the evidence and logic behind it all. The newspapers were reporting the other day that only 5% of cases can be traced to pubs and restaurants. I don't know if that's true but no government is giving us any information.

Wingedharpy · 07/10/2020 15:27

So, it would appear that schools continue as they are for now but restrictions on pubs, restaurants etc being tightened up.
No glass of wine with your evening meal after 6pm.

MarshaBradyo · 07/10/2020 15:29

@Wingedharpy

So, it would appear that schools continue as they are for now but restrictions on pubs, restaurants etc being tightened up. No glass of wine with your evening meal after 6pm.
That’ll thin out the crowd. Most people who eat out like to enjoy alcohol.
CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 07/10/2020 15:29

@Wingedharpy

So, it would appear that schools continue as they are for now but restrictions on pubs, restaurants etc being tightened up. No glass of wine with your evening meal after 6pm.
Not many people will want to go to the pub if they cannot drink. As far as I understand it, you can't have a glass of wine at any time.. and after 6 the pubs will be closed. Its soft drinks and food only before 6 pm
celtiethree · 07/10/2020 15:35

No restaurants are open after 6 (except hotels for residents) so no evening meal anyway! Plus central belt is completely closed which covers 70% of the population - pretty much a lockdown by any other name.

NotAnActualSheep · 07/10/2020 15:40

And (if I understood it right), if you're in the central belt you can't go to a pub or restaurant at any time, even for food and soft drink (apart from takeaways). Only unlicensed cafes, before 6pm. And I think gym classes and indoor venues closed too? It's all a bit complicated... Hope they clarify things over the course of the afternoon. I feel so sorry for the businesses and employees Sad

celtiethree · 07/10/2020 15:42

Pretty much can’t do anything in central belt except go to a cafe before 6.

emptyshelvesagain · 07/10/2020 15:46

No glass of wine with your evening meal after 6pm.

No evening meal after 6pm. No wine at all.

dementedpixie · 07/10/2020 15:48

Fuck, they took my gym classes away again Sad

NotAnActualSheep · 07/10/2020 15:51

I'm relieved about schools staying full time, though. Silver lining and all that... And I've just had a case of wine delivered, so I can have a glass of wine with my evening meal... at home, with my household. Go me. Wine

toptreeroots1 · 07/10/2020 16:09

Really concerned for people that work in the affected sectors

emmathedilemma · 07/10/2020 16:12

Double fuck re. gym classes @dementedpixie!! How can the gym be open but classes not?!? It doesn't make sense to me, the classes are more self contained than the gym.

Mylittlesandwich · 07/10/2020 16:13

I'm confused. I can't figure out if hotel restaurants are open for residents in central Scotland and if they close at 6.

emmathedilemma · 07/10/2020 16:16

"In these areas, all licensed premises - with the exception of hotels for residents - will be required to close indoors and outdoors, though takeaways will be permitted."
i think hotels can stay open @Mylittlesandwich

DivGirl · 07/10/2020 16:27

@Mylittlesandwich

I'm confused. I can't figure out if hotel restaurants are open for residents in central Scotland and if they close at 6.
I think by "resident" she meant guests at the hotel.
Mylittlesandwich · 07/10/2020 16:30

No I'm sure she did. Does the 6pm curfew apply? I don't think there is one for the rest of the country? DH works in a hotel restaurant so I'm just trying to figure out what that's going to look like.

dementedpixie · 07/10/2020 16:31

Outside the Central Belt, pubs, cafes and restaurants will only be able to open indoors between 06:00 and 18:00 BST, and will not be allowed to sell alcohol during those hours.

However, they will be able to serve alcohol outdoors between 1800 and 2200 BST.

Hotel restaurants across the country will also be able to serve meals to residents in the evening, but will not be allowed to sell alcohol

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