I'm so angry...

[MaryShelley1818]

We are in an area with local restrictions so high transmission rates in the North East of England.

Someone I know had her 40th at the weekend and photos on FB of her having a party in a pub, cake presents, her and kids, her parents, her sister who works at a local University in a very high position, and about 4-5 friends. No Social Distancing, drinking, cuddling, shots, photos.
How are people just carrying on as normal??!! How can you be so bloody thick as to post all the photos on FB. Am I missing something?? I'm furious.

We've followed every single rule but seems I'm in the minority and the longer people just do whatever they want for, the longer I'll have to go without seeing my friends and family.

It's not about following the rules to make it disappear, it's about following the rules to keep it under control and at a manageable rate of spreading, not overwhelming the hospitals etc.
It's a new virus that they are still learning about, so we do need to be more careful than 'normal.'
I don't think anyone expects COVID to go away, but we need to make sure it doesn't get any worse. It's boy exactly great at the minute is it? It would be better if everyone did what they were supposed to, but it doesn't seem like that's happening. Too many selfish and idiotic people.

@coffeeadteav

I imagine so, but it'll already be too late at that point. How can people not see this coming? Why, as usual, do we have to wait for it to happen before people suddenly have an epiphany and 'realise' the danger?

When the NHS is overwhelmed and more treatments are cancelled? When someone you know needs oxygen?
We need to slow the spread now not leave it until 1k are dying a day again.

And if people are dying due to the restrictions, as many elderly and vulnerable people did over lockdown, if lives are shortened due to poverty and despair, do they just not count? Is it just covid deaths that matter?

But with the rules they way they are at the moment, the more people ignore them and mix, the more viruses are spread. This then leads to children home from school for two weeks, people off work with no pay looking after them or self isolating waiting for tests etc. The more that it spreads through people ignoring the rules the greater the knock on impact on the general population. It's not just about whether someone dies or is taken into hospital or not. When the self-isolation rules are over then people can do what the F they like if they don't care about passing the virus on to vulnerable people. In the meantime, their actions impact lots of peoples lives in lots of different ways. It's far too simplistic on so many ways to think it's just about people's individual risk. I'm with you OP.

@StylishMummy - I don't hate you but your attitude stinks & is incredibly selfish. Me me me.

We need to slow the spread now not leave it until 1k are dying a day again

Have you actually looked at how the fatality rate is increasing compared to March/April? It's not comparable at all. As is the case across all other European countries that have opened up.

I find the idea that if everyone followed the rules everything could go back to normal utterly incomprehensible. Is it the case that people really believe that we can follow rules for a while (how long?) and covid will just disappear or something?

Yeah I agree with this. I’d also be pissed off to see the scenario in the OP, but not because I’m under any illusions about what it means or doesn’t mean for me.

It's not about following the rules to make it disappear, it's about following the rules to keep it under control and at a manageable rate of spreading, not overwhelming the hospitals etc.

How long do you expect people to do that for? A year? Two years? Four years? When does go from "temporary restrictions" to some kind of weird dystopia?

@GregariousMountains - this is a rather pointless comment as no one can know and it's not how pandemics have typically panned out.

YANBU, I'd be tempted to report.

I was in a takeaway on Friday night when two big blokes came in and leered over the counter to order. Neither wearing masks. Literally sidestepping the hand gel table when they came in. I wish these people would fuck off. I almost read it as a 'fuck you', because they certainly aren't oblivious. Hateful.

I know OP. I am stuck abroad, haven't seen my family for a year and it looks less and less likely we will see them at Christmas.

People can be so selfish.

And if people are dying due to the restrictions, as many elderly and vulnerable people did over lockdown, if lives are shortened due to poverty and despair, do they just not count? Is it just covid deaths that matter?
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Course they matter but it all has a knock on effect. Ireland is already saying their ICU maybe overwhelmed by November. We need to not be anywhere near that which is why we need to stick to the rules now. Covid deaths effect Cancer deaths and other diseases. Whitty has said it several times.
It doesn't mean I have no empathy for how hard it is though.

And poverty that is a huge societal issue that does need adressing.*

@vanillandhoney
I expect it to last for as long as is needed. What makes me angry is the selfishness of people flouting the rules for completely unnecessary things like parties and holidays.
I've never understood why people got so upset about missing out on a holiday this summer.

@luckylavender wanting to see mine & DHs parents is selfish? Really?

@TheKeatingFive - there's a massive difference with AIDS as no one knew what it was for years. It was a mystery disease killing people. The Covid 19 genome was defined very early on.

[quote StylishMummy]@luckylavender wanting to see mine & DHs parents is selfish? Really?[/quote]
That's the world we live in at the moment. You wanting to see family is selfish, but people collapsing whole industries and leaving thousands jobless is morally right and good.

I know exactly what you mean a cousin of mine was told that her DS needs to isolate as a case in his class and that someone she had been in close contact with a few days previous had tested positive (not informed through the official t&t but by the positive person) and proceeded that night to go out for a family meal and the next day asked another member of the family who had been shielding to look after the isolating child! I mean you can't make it up can you 🤷

[quote inappropriateraspberry]@vanillandhoney
I expect it to last for as long as is needed. What makes me angry is the selfishness of people flouting the rules for completely unnecessary things like parties and holidays.
I've never understood why people got so upset about missing out on a holiday this summer.[/quote]
What if the government decide those restrictions are needed for five years? Ten years? Would you really be happy to continue living like this for a decade or more?

Again, at what point does it go from being an acceptable sacrifice to something more? Nobody seems to be able to answer that. All I hear is "well, for as long as it takes". Expecting people to live like this indefinitely is never, ever going to work.

The mental health issues that are going to come from all these rules, restrictions and hygiene regulations are going to be appalling, then add on to the devastation this is causing the economy.

I think a lot of people won't wake up to the economic destruction this is causing until they're the ones finding themselves jobless or homeless because half the country has gone bust.

Indefinitely? It's been 6 months.

@StylishMummy - yes. See them separately. I wish I could see my parents but they're in a Welsh lockdown, struggling & in their 80s. My DS lives in the NW & I've seen him once since Christmas. But selfish people like you, fill your boots why don't you & fuck the rules.

I totally agree with you op - I have lost respect for many people over their selfish behaviour during this pandemic!

Well if it's so utterly vital to protect the vulnerable @vanillandhoney surely we have to protect them from every single infection they could ever get? So restrictions should continue forever. Because we've decided now that all that matters is that people don't get infections. It doesn't matter if people can't eat because they have no job, their death is nothing compared to a death from infection. Infection is all that matters.

@luckylavender well that's your take. I'm not going to deny my DC their grandparents. We receive childcare from both sets so there is absolutely zero difference between seeing them separately and seeing them at the same time. Take your judgement and FO.

@everythingisginandroses

Indefinitely? It's been 6 months.

It's been nearly seven months, but that's not really the point I'm making.

Are we really happy to live in a society where it's selfish to see your elderly relatives? Where a grandparent wanting to hug their newborn grandchild is told no? Where we can no longer choose to spend time with three friends because, heaven forbid, it's more than two households mixing.

And if you are happy to live like that, how long are you happy for it to go on for? Again, when does it cross the line from being an acceptable sacrifice to something that impacts on people's human rights?

People won't accept this forever. Either more and more people will continue to break the rules, or there'll be outright protests and rebellion in the street.

It makes me really sad to see people being called selfish, disgusting and nasty for wanting to hug their mums.