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What hope do we have when MPs can't follow the rules?

253 replies

mrshoho · 01/10/2020 19:57

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-54379026

She travelled from London by train from Scotland to London and back knowing she was positive! And visited parliament! no excuse for this.

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HIVpos · 03/10/2020 13:23

@IrmaFayLear

HIVpos, I’m sorry, I don’t know the exact rules (although I would be mightily angry, nay wrathful , if someone had unprotected sex with me knowing full well they were hiv positive).
The rules for reckless transmission are :

They had sex with someone who didn’t know they had HIV.

They knew they had HIV at that time.

They understood how HIV is transmitted.

They had sex without a condom.

They transmitted HIV to that person.

The above rules out well over 90% of people living with HIV in the U.K. This is why your comparison is incorrect and stigmatising as you give no further detail.

The matter of sharing our status with any sexual partners when we can’t transmit it is more of an ethical, moral one.

HIVpos · 03/10/2020 13:26

@IrmaFayLear

I’d feel the same way about anything communicable that someone knows they have. It is the ultimate act of selfishness.
Think you’re missing the point, and reason why your comparison With coronavirus is incorrect. Well controlled HIV for the vast majority is not communicable.
GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 03/10/2020 17:15

Her decisions were terrible and if she had symptoms that required a test she knew she should self isolate until she got the results. According to her timeline she took the test on Sat eve but didn’t receive the results until Monday eve. If she had received the results within 24hrs presumably she would never have travelled.

A similar case occurred near me when schools went back as a boy had been on holiday, had a symptom so took a test but felt ok so he went in for the first two days of term, got a positive result and ‘burst’ his bubble. Poor decision making by his family too but we will have many more cases like this where people go back to work/school/event until the testing system improves the time it takes to get test results back. A ‘world-beating’ system indeed!

MRex · 03/10/2020 17:18

If she had received the results within 24hrs presumably she would never have travelled
No, the rules are very clear that people must isolate after symptoms and that they isolate until a test result is received. It doesn't matter if that's inconvenient, lots of things about a pandemic are inconvenient. Nobody gets a free pass to selfishly risk the health of others by blaming system delays.

HeIenaDove · 03/10/2020 17:29

They isolated in a house and on their drive to BC they kept their distance and didnt interact with anyone.They socially distanced

Do you really think a four year old has a bladder of steel?

Have you ever travelled that far with a young child?

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 03/10/2020 18:02

@MRex I absolutely agree as an MP she knew she should self isolate after testing and her actions were inexcusable, she should resign.

Just pointing out that if the testing system worked better and delivered results faster it would (hopefully) stop some of these numbnuts from testing, feeling better, going out and becoming a super-spreader before receiving a positive result. An efficient testing system is one of our best chances of keeping on top of the spread of disease.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/10/2020 19:24

'Do you really think a four year old has a bladder of steel? Have you ever travelled that far with a young child?'

4 and a half hours? Think ours could all have gone that long at that age and no, they don't have 'bladders of steel'. Maybe they went at night to avoid snitches and the ds slept? Who knows.

What we do know is Ferrier got on public transport twice, to go from Scotland to London and back which I bet involved visits to the loo too. Clearly putting lots of people at risk. I've no idea why people are comparing it to Cummings. As an aside I wonder why she doesn't visit a dentist. Someone in the public eye should surely get her teeth sorted out.

HeIenaDove · 03/10/2020 19:43

I take it as tomorrow is the fifth day we should stop talking about Ferrier and move on @GetOffYourHighHorse

HeIenaDove · 03/10/2020 19:44

What have her teeth got to do with it?

NotAnActualSheep · 03/10/2020 19:53

[quote GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly]@MRex I absolutely agree as an MP she knew she should self isolate after testing and her actions were inexcusable, she should resign.

Just pointing out that if the testing system worked better and delivered results faster it would (hopefully) stop some of these numbnuts from testing, feeling better, going out and becoming a super-spreader before receiving a positive result. An efficient testing system is one of our best chances of keeping on top of the spread of disease.[/quote]
But the "trigger" to self isolate is getting any of the symptoms (or being identified as a close contact) - not testing positive, or indeed testing at all. Travelling after symptoms developed wouldn't have been OK under any circumstances until she got a negative result or after 10 days, and she knew that. A quicker test result, while obviously nice, is irrelevant to that... and 48hours-ish is fully within the target timescale for getting results back (72 hrs I think). That's not indicative of an inefficient testing scheme, and doesn't excuse her at all.

Other than random population testing (which tracks the prevalence among everyone, including "well" people who may be asymptomatic or pre symptomatic), and targeted testing of everyone in hot-spot areas (to get particular outbreaks under control), symptomatic testing that MF took is really just a "benefit" to us the economy as far as I can see. A negative test lets us go back to work/ school/ shopping/ pubs sooner than 10 days. It doesn't stop the virus spreading. Self isolation does that. Which she didn't do when she knew she was potentially positive but didn't want to isolate for 10 days. I agree testing is critical, and I think more people should be tested, including those without symptoms, or with atypical symptoms to understand the spread, but I don't think resources should be diverted into getting symptomatic results back any quicker than the target for the vast majority of the population.

NotAnActualSheep · 03/10/2020 19:54

@HeIenaDove

What have her teeth got to do with it?
Absolutely. That's a horrible comment getoff.
HeIenaDove · 03/10/2020 20:04

Ah so anyone who reported Cummings would have been a snitch.

Painted yourself into a corner there.

sashagabadon · 03/10/2020 20:49

@GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly

Her decisions were terrible and if she had symptoms that required a test she knew she should self isolate until she got the results. According to her timeline she took the test on Sat eve but didn’t receive the results until Monday eve. If she had received the results within 24hrs presumably she would never have travelled.

A similar case occurred near me when schools went back as a boy had been on holiday, had a symptom so took a test but felt ok so he went in for the first two days of term, got a positive result and ‘burst’ his bubble. Poor decision making by his family too but we will have many more cases like this where people go back to work/school/event until the testing system improves the time it takes to get test results back. A ‘world-beating’ system indeed!

Heard it all now Grin A delay in getting the test result back is probably one of the worse excuses for her likely (?) criminal behaviour though.
GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/10/2020 20:55

'Absolutely. That's a horrible comment getoff'

I do apologise it's just she's been all over msm it's impossible not to notice really. Johnson gets called a fat, sweaty alcoholic on mn frequently, I had no idea commenting on appalling teeth was such a no no.

'delay in getting the test result back is probably one of the worse excuses for her likely (?) criminal behaviour though'

Yes and a bit of a stretch seeing as it didn't stop her once she actually knew she was positive!

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 03/10/2020 21:58

@sashagabadon that’s ridiculous I have reiterated several times on this thread she acted recklessly & should resign. Just pointing out the slow return on test results is not helpful. Yes I understand and agree that people should self isolate until they get test results but people clearly aren’t!

@GetOffYourHighHorse you can’t really get on your high horse about other people’s ‘puerile’ comments and post things like that

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 03/10/2020 22:05

@GetOffYourHighHorse Maybe they went at night to avoid ‘snitches’ and the ds slept?
But why would they need to travel at night to avoid snitches if everything they were doing was all above board?

tornadoalley · 03/10/2020 22:06

Not getting half the coverage as the Dominic Cummings fiasco though is it? The Scots are too busy being held up as so much better than the rest of the UK (despite having twice the number of cases per 100,000)

Treesofwood · 03/10/2020 22:11

Seriously sounds like the behaviour of someone not thinking straight to me. Almost on the edge.

She could have not bothered to test, esp as she actually wasnt that ill and noone would be any the wiser. Now it's a stick to beat her with.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/10/2020 22:29

'But why would they need to travel at night to avoid snitches if everything they were doing was all above board?'

Well as demonstrated people here seem to struggle with understanding 'exceptional circumstances'. On mn we have thread after thread about civil liberties being under siege then we have Cummings being spied on when all he was doing was putting the welfare of his ds first.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 03/10/2020 22:32

'She could have not bothered to test, esp as she actually wasnt that ill and noone would be any the wiser. Now it's a stick to beat her with'

Not a stick to beat her with, that's a bit dramatic. Rather she has cocked up massively and needs to go.

Votesforpedro · 03/10/2020 22:37

I think the police are now dealing with this and I'm hoping she'll be fined accordingly. No excuses for this whatsoever.

GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly · 03/10/2020 22:47

@GetOffYourHighHorse so you think it’s fine that Cummings and his wife omitted to say they had quarantined in the North East in their published accounts? If you don’t want people to think your dodgy don’t publicly behave in a dodgy way!

HeIenaDove · 03/10/2020 23:35