What hope do we have when MPs can't follow the rules?

[mrshoho]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-54379026

She travelled from London by train from Scotland to London and back knowing she was positive! And visited parliament! no excuse for this.

I thought ppl couldnt be arrested or prosecuted retrospectively..............seems to me that only applies to the upper classes..
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803295/Five-welders-jailed-TWO-WEEKS-breaking-coronavirus-restrictions-Isle-Man.html

Mrshoho She would have no worries over her job or income if she hadn't tested also.
What were her symptoms? Why did she test? Did she have a runny nose and ask on Mumsnet if she should?

[quote HeIenaDove]@GetOffYourHighHorse On the Dominic Cummings thread which ive linked above you said the MSM needed to move on after five days, despite Cummings not apologising. Do you feel the same about this?[/quote]
Well no, as it is a completely different situation. Ferrier knowingly exposed the public to covid as she knew she was positive so I may well discuss it longer thanks. Shall we just stick to one thread at a time? To link to previous threads is a bit weird tbh.

DC had been exposed to a confirmed case hadn't he? He had symptoms? I really don't see the difference, except that MF acted within what was allowed at the time. And DC didn't. If she hadn't gone for a test no one would have a clue. She did nothing else wrong. He chose to break national restrictions that he was co-creator of. Covid positive or not.
And he chose not to apologise, but to try to excuse his hypocritical and reckless behaviour in the Prime Ministers garden instead.

So looks like I was correct to say yesterday that the Government's shite testing regime is not helping things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581

Let's hope that the man from Sainsbury's helps sort the beleagued system out - at least he will undertstand the basics of supply and demand!

Fuck me, what a shambles.

[quote HeIenaDove]I thought ppl couldnt be arrested or prosecuted retrospectively..............seems to me that only applies to the upper classes..
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803295/Five-welders-jailed-TWO-WEEKS-breaking-coronavirus-restrictions-Isle-Man.html[/quote]
That case relates to a different country. As in any situation regardless of Covid, if you go abroad you need to respect that country's rules.

The Isle of Man is not part of the UK.
It is a self governing crown dependency.

Unlike the UK, there is no need for much social distancing on the IOM. It's schools, pubs, shops, and hospitals are open as normal. Because it took effective measures to contain Covid.

@GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly

So looks like I was correct to say yesterday that the Government's shite testing regime is not helping things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581

Let's hope that the man from Sainsbury's helps sort the beleagued system out - at least he will undertstand the basics of supply and demand!

It's abysmal. I'm quite worried that test and trace is going to fail as none of these missing results were put in the system and it's too late now to trace possible contacts.

@GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly

So looks like I was correct to say yesterday that the Government's shite testing regime is not helping things.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581

Let's hope that the man from Sainsbury's helps sort the beleagued system out - at least he will undertstand the basics of supply and demand!

It is a shambles, but it relates to the English Test and Trace system, and not Scotland's Test and Protect system, I think, which is what MF would have been involved with. And it didn't affect the timing of people getting test results back from the labs (the UK wide bit), just they weren't then contacted to get their contacts' details. Sounds like the HofC has its own system that DID work as soon as they found out about her result (though she delayed telling them), and contact tracing wouldn't have caught any close contacts on the train/ tube unless she had the English app working on her phone (which needs you to have an English postcode to install! Though she could have used the HofC postcode, presumably, if she wanted).

I did wonder if there was an issue with test and trace last week, because there seemed to be loads of people saying they hadn't been contact traced when members of their household had positive tests. Understandable to miss the odd one, but I heard of 4 members of a household having positive tests and none of them were contacted...that has to be a cock up!

I take it then that this woman has no intention of resigning? Guess she would have done so already.

@Dawnlassie

I take it then that this woman has no intention of resigning? Guess she would have done so already.

Yea looks like she's gonna drag it out as long as possible. I'd love to see the fanfare she gets from her constituents.

It seems there is no integrity in public office anymore just self-servers and obfuscation. Depressing really that they can get away with it when the public pay their wages.

Also attended church after the test. She really made an effort to spread the love far and wide:

While I think this is appalling, I don't see the point in the thread title question.

Surely if you agree that the rules and guidelines are beneficial, you will keep to them. If you disagree with them and don't intend to follow them, then you would do that anyway. Why would someone else's actions influence whether or not you do what you believe to be right?

I think the thread title means collectively what hope do we have? As in flipping heck how can we expect the general public to be sensible and follow the rules if MPs aren’t self isolating when symptomatic!

I find it so incomprehensible that someone could be so unbelievably selfish and irresponsible to visit all those enclosed places knowingly having symptoms.

@Understandingnotignorance it almost beggars belief doesn't it ?

It's almost like she deliberately went out to see as many people as possible after having symptoms concerning enough to have a test. I can't imagine many people - even those who don't support the rules - doing that.

@amicissimma

While I think this is appalling, I don't see the point in the thread title question.

Surely if you agree that the rules and guidelines are beneficial, you will keep to them. If you disagree with them and don't intend to follow them, then you would do that anyway. Why would someone else's actions influence whether or not you do what you believe to be right?

As @GrumblyMumblyisnotJumbly has said and also these are the people explaining the importance of the rules and stating how clear they are to follow.

@rookiemere I thought the same thing. It almost seems as though she did as much as she could in some sort of deliberate streak. I really don't have words for it and now for her to still not resign. Is it arrogance/lack of consideration/responsibility or moral code?

If charges are not brought against this woman then there’s no case for bringing them against anybody who does the same, so the law pointless.

Has this utterly disgraceful woman not resigned yet? She truly has no decency or shame.

She's got more front than Sainsburys as my late FIL used to say.

She has apparently said she has no intention of resigning. What an utterly disgraceful human being.

"Ms Ferrier said: "It may be a serious error of judgment. I'm not denying that. People may be saying, 'You should have known better, you're a public figure'
(www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54496759)

MAY!?!? Surely someone can get across to this woman there there is no "may". She absolutely DID make multiple serious errors of judgement (church, train, hotel, travel to HoC, HoC speaking, another train...).
I believe that under the Recall of MPs Act, if the HoC suspend her (for reckless endangerment of other MPs and staff?), then her constituents can petition to have her removed. Theoretically I think the MPs could also force a by-election, but I'm less clear on how that works.

Coronavirus did not make me "act out of character ", which she claims as a symptom, and her excuse. She's learned nothing.