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What is reasonable for the government to impose on people in the fight against coronavirus.

366 replies

Treesofwood · 01/10/2020 19:14

Most people seem to agree it is reasonable to

  1. Prevent people from seeing people they love.
  2. Prevent people from going to school.
  3. Prevent people from going to the theatre.
  4. Force people to wear cloth over most of their face even if they don't want to in public.
  5. Stop people from hugging.
  6. Stop people from working.
  7. Stop children from playing with their friends in the park.
  8. Force people who are well into self isolation for two weeks.
  9. Ban people from having sex with people they don't live with.
10. Stop (just) adult children from going back to their family home from university.

I would have never believed someone who told me a year ago that these laws/"guidance" would be in place.

There are some things that it is not seen as reasonable for the government to do, despite the fact it would save lives.

But I would argue that most of the things above would have been laughed off as ridiculous in 2019. After all we don't live in a police state.

Where will it end? How much further down the line will we go. How many more things will we lose? Bodily autonomy? It will definitely head that way if some MPs have their way.

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Tootletum · 04/10/2020 17:15

Honestly OP why post on here? Subscribe to Spectator and write to your MP to make your resistance to the measures known.

WouldBeGood · 04/10/2020 17:16

Agree @Treesofwood. It’s crazy, frightening and ineffective

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 17:18

@Namechanged1122

This thread has said people who are suicidal need to become more resilient, we need to to get a grip, oh it's only for a small time and more.

If that is general feeling out there for people with mental illness, forgive me if I'm not that bothered about people I don't know contracting it.

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 17:20

Honestly OP why post on here? Subscribe to Spectator and write to your MP to make your resistance to the measures known.

It's a message board, Why did you post on this thread why don't you go elsewhere and let your resistance to this thread known.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 04/10/2020 17:49

'It's the contradictory nature of the rules that get me. I can't see my adult children or visit my friends but I can mix with 30+ members of staff at work and stand in front of 30 children every day.'

It's where transmission is highest, in households. They don't just make it up to be difficult. Why would they? what possible reason would there be to stop households mixing in some areas if it wasn't in fact because that is where the spread is occurring?

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 17:56

They make lots of stuff up, haven't you been watching,.small evidence of transmission in pubs/restaurants but they put restrictions in.

rookiemere · 04/10/2020 18:06

@GetOffYourHighHorse Why would they? what possible reason would there be to stop households mixing in some areas if it wasn't in fact because that is where the spread is occurring?

Er the economy. They can't afford to allow shops, restaurants and pubs to shut down again and the public outcry when they close schools will be huge, so private gatherings is the only thing to reduce numbers without impacting business. And if my experience on the crowded 10 o clock bus last night is anything to go by, I sincerely doubt it will be enough to reduce the numbers substantively.

Someonetakemebackto91 · 04/10/2020 18:20

What is the answer though ? We have a CEV daughter and I am very thankful for those who wear face masks and social distance
I don’t agree with shutting schools again etc but what else do we do
So we just let it run through the population ?

larrygrylls · 04/10/2020 18:21

@HeresMe,

Where do you get your evidence about restaurant transmission from? There has been plenty of evidence and lots of papers about how it does spread in restaurants.

There do seem to be a lot of conspiracy theories on here about Covid not really being infectious or about it being very mild unless you are a frail octogenarian.

There is very little evidence to support these idea, nice though it would be if they were true.

And then we go from the optimistic self deception to the truly kookie, with talk of politicians globally using Covid for a global reset, although no one can actually say why they would want a reset, what it would look like and who would benefit from it.

Treesofwood · 04/10/2020 18:27

Larry. It is very mild in the vast majority of cases? Even in the doomdays of 20% hospitalisation, 5% ICU and 1% deaths it was a mild illness for 80% of people.
That figure is probably more like 95% of people, or even higher if we could ever actually work out how many asymptomatic cases there are.
Not sure where the conspiracy you speak of comes in?

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CountessFrog · 04/10/2020 18:29

I find it depressing how many people blindly accept restrictions. For example, two teenagers who spend all day together in school and suddenly one kid’s parents won’t allow them to go to the local shopping centre on the weekend because they fear cameras reporting them to the police and them literally losing their job because their child was within 2 metres of another on camera.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 04/10/2020 18:29

highhorse honestly you have no idea. To be honest rectal bleeding pre-covid, where I live wasn’t dealt with properly. Mother in law is dead because she was told to stop bothering her GP. My friend has stage 3 colon cancer and had rectal bleeding for 9 months - she is 37.

I’m in scotland.

My sister is an NHS nurse. I can assure you that the basic, basic services are not being offered here. I know of two people now sectioned who couldn’t access usual mental health support since March. Cataract operations delayed since March and that person can now not drive. Colonoscopies simply cancelled - routine checks for cancer. It is utterly horrific and I repeat - wake the fuck up.

We are talking a third world health service. Unless you are private. I found a breast lump and was seen the same day.

Also astonished at people dismissing people’s mental health crisis. When did we become so callous?

The people I know okay about all this have nice pension, jobs from home and can afford to cocoon themselves. Absolutely zero idea of what it is like for the self employed or small business owners.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 04/10/2020 18:31

What is interesting up here is my sister we meant to meet friends for dinner at their house. In scotland so cant. Had to meet at local restaurant. She said it was jammed.

Yet Nicola Sturgeon wags her finger because cases are increasing? She can fuck off with her blame game as she has lost all support

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 18:34

Where do you get your evidence about restaurant transmission from? There has been plenty of evidence and lots of papers about how it does spread in restaurants.

Ahh here go the anti pub and restaurant trade

Pubs have been open since 4th of July with no rise in infections, the rise started about 8 weeks later, and pubs and restaurants setting account for about 4 percent of infections at present time.

Where's your evidence they do besides ancedotal evidence

HeIenaDove · 04/10/2020 19:23

Better tell that to this poster @GetOffYourHighHorse

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4039844-lack-of-nhs-services-in-certain-areas-tmi-warning

hamstersarse · 04/10/2020 19:26

I have some numbers for you on cancer treatments this year:

  • There are 360,000 new cancer diagnoses a year in the UK - 30,000 a month,
  • in April, there were only 5,000 new diagnoses.
  • in May there were 8,000
  • June 10,000

The official estimate is that 2,300 patients per week not diagnosed through referral, and 400 per week not diagnosed because of screening delays (Cancer research)

These delays have important consequences on survival:
The survival rate for stage 1 cancers is excellent. For example, with stage 1 breast cancer there is a 95% survival rate. With stage 2, it's 80%. But stage 3 is only 20%.

I think anyone who looks at that and says it is fine, everything is fine with the NHS has been Covid brainwashed

HeIenaDove · 04/10/2020 19:29

This wont help.

HeIenaDove Sun 04-Oct-20 17:54:33
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-wealthy-areas-avoid-government-labour-tory-b781344.html

The government has been accused of sparing wealthy and Tory voting areas from local coronavirus lockdowns, while poorer areas of the country with comparatively lower infection rates face tougher restrictions.

Some constituencies in the so-called red wall that switched from Labour to the Tories at the last election have not faced curbs on movement despite recording an increase in cases sufficient to trigger restrictions in Labour-voting areas in the region.

The red-to-blue swing seats of Wakefield in West Yorkshire, with 73 cases of coronavirus per 100,000 population, and Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria, with a rate of 112, are both free of additional measures, for example

But Greater Manchester, home to a swathe of Labour seats, had an average rate of almost 24 per 100,000 when lockdown was introduced earlier in the summer.

According to an email published by The Sunday Times, Professor Dominic Harrison, director of public health for Blackburn with Darwen, wrote to ministers last week warning that “more economically challenged boroughs [were] being placed into more restrictive control measures at an earlier point in their ... case rate trajectory.”

He said that had the effect of “exacerbating the economic inequality impacts of the virus...giving an economic ‘double whammy’ to more challenged areas.”

Professor Harrison was responding to figures that showed the government first imposed restrictions on Blackburn with Darwen - one of the poorest areas in the country - when their weekly Covid-19 rate passed 60 cases per 100,000.

Seats represented by the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, and the housing secretary, Robert Jenrick, have rates of infection of 73 and 84 respectively but have avoided lockdowns. Those figures compare with a national rate across England of 28.

“Are you more likely to have social lockdowns earlier and for longer and at a lower confirmed case rate if you are a northern, less wealthy, non conservative voting #localgov area?” Professor Harrison tweeted. “Check the data...”

Jim Shorrock, a former Labour mayor of Blackburn with Darwen, said the figures were “confirmation of what some of us have thought for some time”.
Labour said the data raised questions as to why those living in parts of the Midlands and the north were “having to face restrictions when other parts of the country that have seen infections rise are not”.

Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "Because there is no clear guidelines as to why an area goes into restrictions and how an area comes out of restrictions then there is a suspicion that there is political interference - I hope there isn't.

"But until the government publish clear guidelines, that suspicion will always linger."

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson told The Independent the Covid-19 incidence rate was “only one of a set of considerations regarding when it is appropriate to impose and release restrictions”.

The spokesperson said: “Decisions are made in close consultation with local leaders and public health experts, informed by the latest evidence from the JBC (Joint Biosecurity Centre) and NHS Test and Trace, PHE and the Chief Medical Officer for England.

“While we recognise how much of an imposition these measures are, they are based on the latest scientific evidence in order to suppress the virus and protect us all while doing everything possible to support the economy.

“We continue to work closely with local authorities and health protection teams and announced £7m funding to support them during this period of further restrictions.”

loulouljh · 04/10/2020 19:33

I agree,,,the nHS needs to be renamed the Covid service as it seems to have abandoned all other services even if urgently needed. I don't know why this isn't a national scandal. It seems to be accepted that everything is scarified for what is a mild illness for most.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 04/10/2020 19:34

hamster I read those cancer numbers and cry. Why aren’t they reported on mainstream news? Not even discussed. Never have I been a conspiracy theorist. But I am baffled. Why is this ok?

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 19:38

Why didn't it rise till September then your report is based in August, why so y we close education as that's where it is spreading.

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 19:39

I'm convinced that the posters who want out civil liberties taken away would drink there own piss I'd the government told them too.

It has shown how easy people are to manipulate

larrygrylls · 04/10/2020 19:41

@HeresMe

Manipulate to what end?

We are back in ‘global reset’ land.

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 19:44

We don't know yet, but with crys of covid there is no reason most of these laws cannot go through parliament and proper due process.

FreshFreesias · 04/10/2020 19:47

I’m with you op.
Staggered that Boris Johnston has turned into a quasi dictator. I never liked him but this is off the scale.

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