Why are we in lockdown when no one is dying?

[SplunkPostGres]

I don’t understand why we’ve got local lockdown again. Cases are high but deaths are still low. Seems like a lot of cases are asymptomatic? So why are the lockdowns and restrictions needed?

I agree op. Posters saying because the virus is so contentious...well my DH had the virus no one else in our family caught it and we took no measures to prevent it in the family home. My grandma also tested
Positive but my grandad didn't and neither did my aunt who is her carer

*contagious

@bumbleymummy

Totally agree with you. The original lockdown was because there was concern that the nhs would be overwhelmed based on the situation in other countries (eg. Italy) Now, we know much more about the virus. We know it isn’t as deadly as originally feared. We know that a large proportion of cases are asymptomatic (some studies show up to 80%) and there are nowhere near the same number of hospitalisations and deaths (even allowing for the lag). People seem to have lost sight of what the original intention of lockdown was and are his focussing only the increase in (usually mild) community cases that we are now able to test for. Madness 🙄

Haven't lost sight at all at the reasons for the first lockdown. The virus is still the same virus and we are doing these restrictions for the same reasons. No surprise and it is what we have been expecting since people returned to work and school. We are trying to stop it again from getting out if control through the winter. Madness is you thinking the same thing won't happen again without mitigation.

@Malteserdiet

Some people are also failing to consider that increased hospitalisations doesn’t necessarily mean increased deaths. Doctors now understand much more about Covid and can treat it much more effectively with existing cheap drugs and no need for hundreds of ventilators.

Increased hospitalisations doesn't necessarily mean increased deaths It does if there's no free beds because capacity is full, or because staff are off sick.

Immunosuppressant steroids have shown some success in treating some patients, but they're no panacea. However, we are seeing promising work on treatments. We're not quite there yet (we need to allow for manufacturing and distribution of doses too, just like with vaccines). Hence the need to buy a little more time.

We're in an area where local restrictions have been in place for 10 WEEKS with no end in sight. It covered the whole school summer holiday so we were not allowed to have any visitors or visit any other family. My elderly parents feel isolated- they don't want to go to the park to see us surrounded by other families doing the same, they just want to come and have a cup of tea in our lounge. After six months off school, dd managed 4 days back before she was sent home to self isolate after a positive case in her year- 14 days in the house and garden- not allowed to the shop or even a walk- and this is set to happen periodically- she's had no symptoms- to expect teens to do this on a regular basis in an infringement of her human rights.

1. It’s not lockdown, it’s restricted measures in some areas
2. Because whilst rates are going up there can be a two to four week lapse before death occurs if it’s going to
3. Because if we do t have restricted measured in some areas more will catch it, more may end up in hospital and the nhs may start to be overwhelmed again

I don’t get why you don’t understand, it’s all over the media

Fuck knows

Not in lockdown where I live.

Mrshoho. It won’t. And I can’t believe someone unthread is saying there could be 500k deaths. Absolute nonsense and scaremongering.

They’ve been shouting that the deaths are ABOUT TO SPIKE for weeks now. It’s not happening. It is insane that we have this many restrictions for 13 deaths.

The death rates aren't the issue now. It's the after effects of the first round.... Specially for those who didn't realise they had covid. Scarring of the lungs and in some cases causing clots seems to be what I am hearing more frequently down south.

Everyone has been going on about a second wave now since VE Day back in May.

I agree OP, my DP is going to lose his job this week and so have loads of other people i know. This misery for the foreseeable future isnt worth it at all

No point wasting your breath op. The main voices on here think covid is the worst thing ever and if we didn't have restrictions then bodies would be piling up. We all know it's not going to happen but don't waste your time arguing.

@luckylavender

We're not in lockdown. There are restrictions. So dramatic.

as PP's have posted out: YOU might not be in lockdown. More than two thirds of Wales are in lockdown, plus various cities in England, Scotland etc.

And while in writing it might not be what other people consider a 'proper' lockdown, to me there is very difference to my life now compared to how it was in March, except March was warmer so I could sit in my garden rather than shivering in my house. I can't leave my local area, or see family or friends (as they all live outside my council). Oh I can go to the pub - but I can't meet anyone there. So I can go to the pub on my own. Great.

@RippleEffects, currently, no: re: single person support bubbles. But Mark Drakeford is apparently considering it. Thing is even if he decides to implement it he will probably still keep it dependent on your bubbled household being in the same lockdown area as you, which particularly in S Wales where counties are very small compared to England, is impractical for many.

I only know that family members who work in my local hospital say that cases are rising again and ITU is seeing more and more. As it filters around the population then the more vulnerable will inevitably pick it up and there will be an increase in deaths at some point. We are not at that point yet.

The covid testing isn’t accurate. Too many false positives. We’re being deceived, who knows why.

For those of those doing the eye rolly "well duh OP the ongoing restrictions/lockdowns are the only reason we are not having millions of covid related deaths, can't believe how stupid you are not to see that" how do you explain Sweden which is one of the only European countries NOT seeing a second wave?

@thevassal

For those of those doing the eye rolly "well duh OP the ongoing restrictions/lockdowns are the only reason we are not having millions of covid related deaths, can't believe how stupid you are not to see that" how do you explain Sweden which is one of the only European countries NOT seeing a second wave?

do keep up, Stokholm are again seeing a rise in cases and restrictions/lockdowns being considered!

I'm in South Wales too. You can leave your area for work if needed and can meet people outdoors. It's hardly the end of the world.

@SplunkPostGres

13 deaths today and we’ve got most of South Wales on local lockdown. Can’t have anyone outside your household in your home and can’t leave your Local Authority area. Seems disproportionate.

This is without even looking at the students being thrown under the bus for this.

I supported the restrictions earlier this year, but this time, despite the huge increase in cases there doesn’t seem to be any impact from people contracting the virus.

So.....are you the sort of person that puts the seat belt on after the accident?

@mxjones

Because people are dying.

People die all the time.

Restrictions are not to prevent people dying.

It's to try and hide the fact that the NHS has been so badly managed a s financed it can't cope with more than the bare minimum of ill people

short-term measures to contain Covid.
We were told it would be a SHORT term measure. Was it a SHORT term measure? "We can turn this virus around in twelve weeks", Saint Boris the clown told us. "It's just to flatten the curve." Was he hoping we have memories as short as his own foresight?

That was twenty-four-odd weeks ago.

Now he says another six months.

What's he going to say in six months' time?
"Just another twelve months of wrecking your lives and businesses, please, pretty pleeeeeeeeeeease, you've all been very very good, pleeeeeeeeeeeease just bear with me a little longer, pleeeeeeeeease don't riot, or vote me out, I beg you..."

Basically, whatever Saint Boris says, there seems to be no end in sight.

It's time we accepted the risk of the virus: it is hardly the only risk in the world.

And, as others have said, people die ALL THE TIME. Of car crashes, overdosing, suicides, poverty, domestic violence, accidents at home... the last five of which are going to become more and more frequent, the longer the restrictions go on. Covid is not the only thing that kills.

I don’t get why you don’t understand, it’s all over the media
Of course, the media always, always prints the gospel truth. Just as Saint Boris and his merry men never, ever, ever, tell lies, or are ever "economical with the truth".

Two weeks ago there were 88 patients on mechanical ventilation with Covid in England. Today there are 245 patients on mechanical ventilation with Covid in England. It has nearly TRIPLED in a fortnight. The deaths usually lag 2-3 weeks behind the hospital and ICU admissions.

@bumbleymummy would you prefer £1 million pounds today or 1pence doubling every day for a month?

That’s the same way this virus spreads given no restrictions. We’re at 32pence which is why people don’t understand the restrictions but give it a few more weeks of free reign. It ends up being over £5million by day 30.

That’s what we’re dealing with. Think of it in those terms. If you’re still not convinced then google Brazil look at bodies in street, quickly dug mass graves and that’s what we’d be dealing with it we all go back to normal.

That was expected though wasn't it? Respiratory diseases always increase in autumn. Always.

Locking down should be a last resort.

The government has has 6 months to anticipate this.