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Why are we in lockdown when no one is dying?

322 replies

SplunkPostGres · 28/09/2020 20:11

I don’t understand why we’ve got local lockdown again. Cases are high but deaths are still low. Seems like a lot of cases are asymptomatic? So why are the lockdowns and restrictions needed?

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AlwaysLatte · 28/09/2020 23:10

Good, it's working then.

JKRowlingIsMyQueen · 28/09/2020 23:12

Op don't waste your breath, it's mass hysteria on this site. We were supposed to get a spike after the protests, didn't happen. Then another spike after the beaches being packed, didn't happen. Then another one after pubs opened, didn't happen.

We are now in a casedemic.

SoupDragon · 28/09/2020 23:14

so why are we putting curfews on pubs but carrying on with schools

Because education is more important than getting pissed with your mates.

BF2748 · 28/09/2020 23:19

I’m utterly pissed off after reading that police aren’t advised to download the nhs app, if they do have it on their personal phones and they’re given alert to self isolate they don’t have to.

People need to remember that a simple cold (type of Coronavirus) isn’t a simple cold to somebody high risk, yet we’ve never had these measures before to protect our most vulnerable in society. Death is death- virus always effects the most vulnerable, so why now, why haven’t the previous deaths down to respiratory virus’ mattered to the government so much to lock us all up? The flu is every year and has a high death rate we’ve never had these measures. I also think The issue is that people aren’t looking after their immune systems, if more people did this, our bodies wouldn’t host the virus as it’s in a stronger state. Wearing a mask isn’t going to make the immune system stronger and the way I’ve seen people handle them turns my stomach. Also ironic that masks are mandated yet the cases are still going up? The government has not once advised people to improve their immune systems. It’s been lock up, eat out and lock up again, no doubt they’ll want us to spend for Christmas and then lock us up away from family for Christmas. It’s bollocks.

ToastyCrumpet · 28/09/2020 23:24

What @doyoumind said! It’s not rocket science.

starfro · 28/09/2020 23:27

Lockdown just kicks the can down the road.

Test and trace isn't the magic bullet, and second waves are appearing in most countries.

Get it over and done with, protect the vulnerable and let it rip. It's what most people want. It probably won't be as bad this time anyway.

FatGirlShrinking · 28/09/2020 23:28

I get it OP. I do.

Your ability to have a cup of tea and a natter with your mates in your kitchen is clearly more important than the deaths of a few folk you don't even know. I mean why would you care about them? And all those people who end up with debilitating post viral complications, and the kids who have to stay off school and lose their education for a couple of weeks sporadically due to increased positive cases.

They aren't you, so they don't matter. Everyone should just go balls out crazy, we should all catchup on the gatherings and holidays we've missed, because having fun, and being able to do what we want, when we want is more important than the 459 people who've died this month of COVID. I mean they were probably all going to die soon anyway right!

saywha · 28/09/2020 23:29

@BF2748

Covid has a higher mortality rate than flu.

We have an annual flu vaccination programme to protect the most vulnerable in society.

Covid is a new virus and we don't know how our immune respose works with this virus yet.

We don't yet know about the long term health effects of Covid.

Cases are rising due to transmission in settings where masks aren't worn, household gatherings, hospitality venues, some workplaces, schools, student halls etc

Covid has already killed more people than any other infectious disease this year.

I do agree the government response has been ridiculous.

binkyblinky · 28/09/2020 23:32

@SplunkPostGres

'13 deaths today and we’ve got most of South Wales on local lockdown. Can’t have anyone outside your household in your home and can’t leave your Local Authority area. Seems disproportionate'

Tell this to the families who have lost their loved ones!!!

FatGirlShrinking · 28/09/2020 23:33

@AlecTrevelyan006

"but as long at the number of deaths is at an acceptable level and as long as the NHS is not overwhelmed then it doesn't really matter"

What is the acceptable level? Just so we all know. Is it 40 a day, 500 a day, 1000 a day?

Or is it just a case that you won't really care how many people die until it's someone you know and love?

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 28/09/2020 23:35

For the same reason as we have gun control.
Or laws against driving while intoxicated or using a mobile phone.
Or effective MMR vaccines.
Because it's reducing the number of deaths. Or should we abolish all those too, and see what happens.

TheSandman · 28/09/2020 23:36

Why are we in lockdown when no one is dying?

OP, do you wait till you are actually in the middle of a car crash before you put the seat belt on?

starfro · 28/09/2020 23:41

We could ban all cars and save thousands of road traffic fatalities.The calculation is never just total deaths, it's the overall net benefit to society.

Most people are now seeing that the harm from years of lockdown will be greater than the number of deaths.

There is no magic solution where no one dies. Life isn't a Disney film.

TazMac · 28/09/2020 23:45

We aren’t in lockdown. If everyone follows the rules currently in place, we won’t go into lockdown. Sadly some people won’t follow the rules, the virus will spread and we will end up in a full lockdown by November.

Staffy1 · 28/09/2020 23:46

The flu is every year and has a high death rate we’ve never had these measures. I also think The issue is that people aren’t looking after their immune systems

Covid has a higher death rate than flu.

Staffy1 · 28/09/2020 23:54

Get it over and done with, protect the vulnerable and let it rip. It's what most people want. It probably won't be as bad this time anyway.

The problem with letting it rip is people who need hospital treatment for it won't get it as the hospitals won't be able to cope. And how do you protect the vulnerable when it's totally out of control? They can't all stay inside and avoid everything 100% of the time. A lot of them will be in and out of hospital, so if it's rife they have a much higher chance of getting it. Besides which, all the hospital staff that died in the first wave can't have all been in the vulnerable group. Larger load of virus = more risk of death.

bumblingbovine49 · 28/09/2020 23:56

@SmileEachDay

I heard an interview over the weekend about a theory re the situation pre March - the science dude (I think from Harvard?) explained that they think the situation in Jan/Feb here was similar to how it is now ie fast rising cases, lots of a symptomatic transmission, esp in the young. Obviously we didn’t know that then - hence the huge death toll in the subsequent months.

It was on Radio 4 - can’t remember the program...

I believe this is what is happening. We had people say early March that deaths were it around 30 a day and it was all scaremongering to say deaths would rise, We all know what happened 3-4 weeks later

Luckily we do have some mitigations in place which are not a full national lockdown so hopefully the same rise in deaths won't happen . Then again if the mitigations work I assume you will continue to say it was a ridiculous overreaction Hmm

The difficulty is we will never be able to prove that deaths would have gone up so you and will never agree on this op

AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/09/2020 23:58

[quote FatGirlShrinking]@AlecTrevelyan006

"but as long at the number of deaths is at an acceptable level and as long as the NHS is not overwhelmed then it doesn't really matter"

What is the acceptable level? Just so we all know. Is it 40 a day, 500 a day, 1000 a day?

Or is it just a case that you won't really care how many people die until it's someone you know and love?[/quote]
We all die. And most people on here will have experienced grief and loss.

I lost both parents to cancer. One of my brothers was killed in a motorcycle accident, one of nephews was killed a car crash, I have a cousin who died in a hit and run, a friend who was murdered and another who committed suicide.

Life can be very cruel. It can also be very joyous. Currently there is very little happiness and even less hope.

I cannot envisage that in anything remotely described as the near future we will have zero Covid deaths. So in order to have a functioning, orderly and viable society we need to accept that Covid will cause a certain number of people to get ill and a certain number to die. I think that the acceptable number is roughly a little higher than where we are now.

sneakysnoopysniper · 29/09/2020 00:01

Our government like that of most western nations (bar Sweden and a few others) have massively over reacted and in the process flushed the economy down the toilet. Now they dare not admit it so they are manipulating the statistics and using smoke and mirror tactics to terrify and confuse people. At the same time they are introducing more and more draconian measures to erode our democratic rights. At some time in the future when all the passive sheep have adapted to the "new normal" we will be urged to thank them for acting so decisively.

Sweetnhappy1 · 29/09/2020 00:04

@sneakysnoopysniper

Are you genuinely saying that the fact that the ICU admission rate with Covid has tripled in a fortnight is government manipulation of figures???

bumblingbovine49 · 29/09/2020 00:04

@Malteserdiet

Some people are also failing to consider that increased hospitalisations doesn’t necessarily mean increased deaths. Doctors now understand much more about Covid and can treat it much more effectively with existing cheap drugs and no need for hundreds of ventilators.
And lots of people being hospitalised even if not dying in itself is a problem if the numbers are high enough. Then eventually the death rate will increase as all of those extra patients mean many don't get the treatment they need
PickAChew · 29/09/2020 00:07

@Fawnfour

Isn't 13 deaths enough!!! So your not allowed in peoples homes big deal, I is not a lock down, you can still go out!!!! I hate selfish posts like this.
I'm not allowed to see my 70-something and not in great health parents, though. It's natural to ask questions about the current status quo because we're not all just wondering about our ability to go out on the lash.
MadameBlobby · 29/09/2020 00:07

Those 13 people would have tested positive 6-8 weeks ago, what they are trying to stop is deaths in 6-8 weeks of people testing positive today.

No they wouldn’t, the deaths now are counted as those who died within 28’days of a positive test

SheepandCow · 29/09/2020 00:09

@AlecTrevelyan006
And of course it will be Other People you envisage dying from Covid.

Is it also The Others you envisage developing Long Covid?

Meanwhile the poor old economy.
Fucked because of uncontained Covid.
Meanwhile, other countries who actually took containment action now have healthy economies.

PickAChew · 29/09/2020 00:10

@Staffy1

The flu is every year and has a high death rate we’ve never had these measures. I also think The issue is that people aren’t looking after their immune systems

Covid has a higher death rate than flu.

Flu has a vaccine, though.
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