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Here's an interesting view. Lockdown is actually extremely individualistic and throws the working class under the bus.

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Treesofwood · 27/09/2020 20:01

twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1309030154837135362?s=09

People all ready to gout how selfish people are for questioning or refusing lockdown, it's all about saving lives, we have to do. It for the good of the vulnerable...

Well here is an opposite view. And I think it is very very true. All the questioning about who is impacted most and why. Those cocooned in their house, incomes protected "its not stuck at home its safe at home" rubbish. Who are lockdowns (local or national) really protecting? Who are actually vulnerable? And vulnerable to covid or destitution?

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Treesofwood · 27/09/2020 22:34

Moggyp No, it's not calling for a cull of the poor. Its the lockdown that's causing the differential in deaths.
Lower paid people tend to be in customer facing jobs that can't be done at home and are more at risk of catching it. More likely to be living in cramped accommodation with no outside space. Also more at risk of complications. Those sitting on their butts at home are complicit as they are claiming to be doing it for the greater good, when infact it is a totally different and more pleasant experience for them as well as massively reducing their person risk. (unacknowledged)

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Someonetakemebackto91 · 27/09/2020 22:35

@Nellodee exactly that
We live in a really middle class area - think same borough as our royal family haha ! We go to school and work with a lot of middle class people and can honestly we are very well known borough for our level of non compliance with covid 🤣🙈

Bluelinings · 27/09/2020 22:36

Although I should add I don’t think this is about class. Many middle class professions are on the front line in the hospitals, schools etc.

Let’s not have more division. Let’s try to work it out.

walker1891 · 27/09/2020 22:36

We're all in the same storm but we're not all in the same boat.

Some who have their lives at risk are keen to lockdown and prevent risk to their health at any cost.

Some who have their livelihoods at risk are keen to avoid lockdown and prevent risk to their jobs at any cost.

Everyone has a different perspective based on what is at risk in their lives.

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Treesofwood · 27/09/2020 22:38

Nellodee They are not being screwed over by them no, they are being judged though. And condemned. And it really does make me angry.
They are being screwed over by their own government. As too many of us have been for decades.

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Treesofwood · 27/09/2020 22:39

And bluelinings I agree it being a simplification or perhaps generalisation of who has been impacted. Many health care professionals are rightly well paid. (Although have you tried to get into a GP surgery recently?)

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Treesofwood · 27/09/2020 22:41

Walker1981 Yes. But the lockdown at any cost people are doing it to "Save lives" and are therefore the ones with the moral higher ground (they believe)

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JKRowlingIsMyQueen · 27/09/2020 22:42

@Treesofwood

twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1309030154837135362?s=09

People all ready to gout how selfish people are for questioning or refusing lockdown, it's all about saving lives, we have to do. It for the good of the vulnerable...

Well here is an opposite view. And I think it is very very true. All the questioning about who is impacted most and why. Those cocooned in their house, incomes protected "its not stuck at home its safe at home" rubbish. Who are lockdowns (local or national) really protecting? Who are actually vulnerable? And vulnerable to covid or destitution?

I strongly agree.
Someonetakemebackto91 · 27/09/2020 22:42

A gp is literally a small amount of doctors. My daughters hospital ( High covid area in the initial feb- April ) were all at work and continue to be now.

SheepandCow · 27/09/2020 22:43

Yeah because unchecked Covid won't affect working class people as much....oh no, actually it's they who will suffer the most.

They've already borne the brunt and suffered more deaths. What with living in more high density housing and public facing roles.

It's also harder for poorer people to be unable to work for months and months. They don't have a cushion of savings to get them through Long Covid.

Failing to contain Covid will devastate the economy. And it's the poor who will suffer more than most, although most people excepting the very rich will be hurt.

We shouldn't need another lockdown now. We should've done it properly first time round including closed borders (with proper quarantine for essential travel). Containing Covid protects the economy and it protects health. The sooner we feel with it, the quicker we can get back to normal.

Seahawk80 · 27/09/2020 22:44

I agree 100% OP. DH has been made redundant. I worry everyday about my job. I worry that we will lose our house. We've had an awful 18 months, apart from covid we have lost 3 babies and I would have been sad but OK with DS being an only child but the thought of another lockdown and him not being able to see other kids makes things even harder. I've told family / friends we have downloaded the NHS app but the truth is that I can't miss work, we need DS to be able to go to childcare and DH to be able to do job interviews so I can't take the chance of having to isolate. That said we can't afford to go anywhere and the only thing we do is I go to work (don't have space to WFH but I do cycle in) and see friends with kids for DS. I just hate this and it seems all my middle class friends / family in secure jobs don't want to talk about anything else when I just want to bury my head in the sand as watching our lives being torn apart makes me want to weep.

movingonup20 · 27/09/2020 22:44

So much depends on your circumstances. Take self isolating - here people will say just get Deliveroo to bring you food except they don't operate here, a delivery slot can be hard to get (at least was in March) so I had no choice but take ibroprofen, wash my hands, put on a mask and go shopping, it was that or go hungry. (We are new in town).

I could wfh but that job no longer exists now, we ran out of money so had to get rid of paid staff (charity) and all the jobs I've seen are higher risk eg delivery driver, care

Someonetakemebackto91 · 27/09/2020 22:46

@Treesofwood or that is just the reason they are doing it ?

Ok so let’s take your idea for a rest run everyone gets a universal payment monthly to cover a might have to isolate for 2 weeks at some point. ( there is a 500 payment for this already if on low income )
This means a person working at 65k a year who didn’t have to isolate once gets a random amount of money for no reason.
Means that people can ring up and isolate for no reason as they know they will be paid and get a few days of work.
The amount of money it would cost will also be added to the amount the virus has cost and after all of this is all over it will
Be the working class and lower class or people on benefits again who get stung when government are trying to claw back money

Nellodee · 27/09/2020 22:46

Like I say, take that anger and direct it upwards. You don’t persuade people by accusing them. We have a point in time where people are actually thinking about what is the right thing for society as a whole. I think we need to come out of this like we did the Second World War - wanting to rebuild a society that is fairer for everyone. I think if we have a capable leader on the left there might just be an appetite for it after all the shit we’ve gone through. We can pull together or we can rip things further apart. We need to create a bit of hope, not anger, that life doesn’t have to be this shit forever.

PickAChew · 27/09/2020 22:47

I do agree with this. I'm hoping that the new UC top up will make it easier for people to be compliant. Presenteeism has clearly still been an issue, in particular for people who don't have access to decent sick pay.

Xenia · 27/09/2020 22:51

Yes, lockdown means a few are paid to stay at home whilst a servant class in effect runs round after them. I have been against lockdown being mandatory fro the state.

Kljnmw3459 · 27/09/2020 22:51

It doesn't have to be that way, if we had a government that actually cared about its citizens. But since we don't , it's just a sad and inevitable fact that the poorest and maybe lower middle class as well will continue to pay for this pandemic. As per usual...

SheepandCow · 27/09/2020 22:51

The working class are of course most at risk from Covid. Densely populated housing, poorer health, less or no savings to get them through the economic devastation of unchecked Covid spreading through the population.

The pressure to do nothing and let it run through is coming from the right. Boris Johnson is under huge pressure from the right wing backbench 1922 committee. They're rich enough to survive the economic fallout from an uncontained virus, cocooned in their homes in the rural shires. They're very shortsighted. Concerned with making a quick buck and failing to consider the impact on the economy beyond next week.

TableFlowerss · 27/09/2020 22:51

@Pixxie7

For those saying about people they don’t know, it’s just as well our armed forces don’t think like that. They put their lives on the line to protect the country.
They *chose* to go in to that career, it’s not thrust upon them. They also get paid so it’s no where near the same
Someonetakemebackto91 · 27/09/2020 22:52

Reading back this thread I am actually confused can a clear a few points up

  1. You do want to prevent the spread of covid have restrictions but with better security for working class people ?

2 you don’t want the restrictions at all to help save lives ?

Because tbh the only people I judge are purely the ones that literally complain about every aspect of restrictions
( my poor kids will miss out on Halloween Etc )
Why should I wear a mask blah blah blah.

So your saying Protecting the vulnerable and having restrictions in place is fine as like we make sure there is some security ?

MadameBlobby · 27/09/2020 22:52

Yep. It’s been a thing on here all along, MNers in their naice MC houses and gardens, wfh, getting all their shopping delivered, berating everyone else as “selfish” for not doing things like them, whilst making out they are actually doing the plebs who have to go out in it a favour. All in it together my arse.

rwalker · 27/09/2020 22:53

In very simple terms
The problem is the people who have to sacrifice the most (younger) benefit the least.
The people who sacrifice the least (older 60 plus) benefit the most

MadameBlobby · 27/09/2020 22:54

@Pixxie7

If you had a choice between your life and finances what would you choose?
That’s not really the choice. It’s a low risk of death v a high risk of financial hardship.
MadameBlobby · 27/09/2020 22:58

@Pixxie7

For those saying about people they don’t know, it’s just as well our armed forces don’t think like that. They put their lives on the line to protect the country.
They also make a choice to do so.
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