Being denied entry because you dont have the track and trace app?

[Rudolphian]

I haven't downloaded the app due to personal reasons.
I have started hearing stories about people being denied entry to pubs/ restaurants and cafes because they havent got the app.
Is this true?
Now I'm wondering what I'd do if it came into work, or if I'm told its compulsory to have to go to the supermarket?
Pretty sure its not a legal requirement yet.

I downloaded the app, it wouldn’t work on my phone

Absolutely not a goady question, I'm genuinely interested about why people feel the way they do about this app, I asked once before and got a couple of run of the mill 'don't trust it' 'dont want the government tracking what I'm doing' etc. But what specifically? What are the government doing with the data/people info that they aren't happy with

it's mission creep

it quite possibly didn't even occur to the people who designed the the app that it would be used to prevent people from entering certain establishments, but that it's already happening within a few days of it being launched.

so the app isn't simply 'tracking and tracing' bit already controlling and modifying behaviour

My phone is old and I can't download or scan anything.
Am I right in thinking that they still have to let me into a restaurant or bar if I still give over my details but written down or can they refuse entry?

@Mulhollandmagoo

Absolutely not a goady question, I'm genuinely interested about why people feel the way they do about this app, I asked once before and got a couple of run of the mill 'don't trust it' 'dont want the government tracking what I'm doing' etc. But what specifically? What are the government doing with the data/people info that they aren't happy with

They don't have to collect the data or do anything with it.

The need to have an app to control the way you behave in public is extremely authoritarian in nature.

If this is normalised then it encourages future apps for other behaviour controlling enterprise.

China is heavily into this as a means of social control (which does collect data).

I can see us sleepwalking down that route if we are not careful.

Personally i like to be free to walk out of my house without being attached to a device if i want.

In terms of 'trust' i think it speaks volumes about the unhealthy relationship between the government and the public atm, in which the government are not seen to be 'serving the public interest' and working to uphold people's rights and freedoms and its seen very much as a controlling force which is quite malevolent rather than benign. Thats not purely the result of paranoia but one that smacks of a understanding of the level of corruption out there and how people feel power is actively being used against them.

As a rule its a normal response to governance by force - you get a deep resentment and resistance to it. We are ultimately where we are now with covid because of a lack of gentle pushing of compliance. If that fails you always have to ask the question why rather than purely resorting to force otherwise you run the risk of not improving the situation and instead getting people's backs up in hostility by alienating them.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-esther-mcvey-suggests-poor-14210844

Tory Esther McVey says poor families 'prioritise new phones over food

But as poorer ppl have been told they must not prioritize phones surely they are only doing as advised if they dont/are unable to download this app. They have only been doing as advised to pre Covid

@HeIenaDove

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-esther-mcvey-suggests-poor-14210844

Tory Esther McVey says poor families 'prioritise new phones over food

But as poorer ppl have been told they must not prioritize phones surely they are only doing as advised if they dont/are unable to download this app. They have only been doing as advised to pre Covid

Sorry Oliver. No food for you today son. Ive got to save up for several months to buy a brand new phone cos i cant get one on credit...

... Of course i could just buy one with 'my other money' or simply go shoplift or nick one of some kid in the park rather than give apple a few hundred pounds.

Plenty of Mners have berated poorer ppl in the past for having smartphones

@TheBeatGoesOn

My phone is old and I can't download or scan anything. Am I right in thinking that they still have to let me into a restaurant or bar if I still give over my details but written down or can they refuse entry?

Why haven't you read what people have written here ?

[quote PinkSparklyPussyCat]@redlockscelt as far as I understand it only the lead member of the party has to give their details or scan the code, not everyone.[/quote]
Not correct.

I've been in a couple of pubs this weekend.
There's a QR code that you scan with your phone to say you're there/check in.
My phone's a shitty one though that I don't have the space to download apps or do much with,
Hasn't mattered though as there's been a booklet next to the signing in guff that you can hand write your phone number and name.

I mean, think about it. Not everyone has a smartphone. What do they do? Stay in forever?

It's quite simple - if your phone isn't up to it - just write your details down by hand in the book or sheets provided - no big deal

The point of the thread was that the OP had heard of people being turned away if they could not scan in using the QR code. There have been many examples provided throughout the thread of venues turning people away for not being able to scan in, in some cases saying 'it is the law' that people must provide their contact details this way.

So it isn't quite simple.

@tribpot

The point of the thread was that the OP had heard of people being turned away if they could not scan in using the QR code. There have been many examples provided throughout the thread of venues turning people away for not being able to scan in, in some cases saying 'it is the law' that people must provide their contact details this way.

So it isn't quite simple.

That isn’t the point of the thread at all, the point was people being turned away for not downloading the track and trace app. Checking in using the QR code provided can be done without using the app at all and has been something that has been available to do way before the app existed.

@Sundaypolodog

It's quite simple - if your phone isn't up to it - just write your details down by hand in the book or sheets provided - no big deal

Have you read the thread? Venues aren't allowing that and are blatantly lying by saying it's the law to have the app.

the app doesn't know who you are.
Not right now it doesn't, or so Boris the Liar says. But I bet my bottom dollar this capability will be sneaked in at some point, when they think that we have embraced the app as part of our "new normal". (Vomits at the phrase)

Also, here is another flaw: what is there to stop somebody maliciously using the app, perhaps with a grudge against a business, or they're a government planted lockdown zealot? They would check in, then later falsely register a positive result or symptoms, so that everyone who used that business gets the alert to self-isolate, and Matt Wanksock can salivate over his increasing infection rates.

@VivaMiltonKeynes taken from the government website

Yes - well, almost.

In first week they transitioned from written list to the app I was told they would let me in this time but next time I couldn't come in without the app.

The net of control and surveillance is growing ever tighter, isn't it?

Given that everything this government has done so far as been a monumental disaster, I am not downloading the app. I will happily provide my details when required but I am not relying on an app to monitor me and cause severe disruption to my life possibly completely unnecessarily. If a premises is insistent I will take my business elsewhere.

They would check in, then later falsely register a positive result

I don't see how they can..you need the bar code from the official result, to register a positive test

My DC's sports club says I have to scan my own app when the DC enter the building.

Firstly this seems misuse of the app - surely we shouldn't be using it by proxy for our DC.

Secondly, a sports centre with lots of separate facilities could give a positive alert for someone in the gym that will affect everyone in the building, from those playing badminton in the sports hall to those in the swimming pool. Then no-one can scan again for 2 weeks for no reason.

Thirdly, the parents aren't even allowed in the building. How does it work if I scan to let DC into the building, then go and sit in the car 100 metres away? Plus then I am sitting in the car for 1 hour. What about the parent sitting in their car next door - if they get a positive test do I get told to isolate even though we have been sitting in separate sealed cars?

Apart from the issues with using the app for another person (DC) - for my query above, how can it even work accurately from a technical point of view?

I've been wondering if there's any reason those who object to the app couldn't download it to enter an establishment which requires it, then immediately delete it again?
(May be a silly question, as I'm not tech savvy and my ancient iPhone doesn't support the app).

I scanned my phone the other day in a restaurant but I didn’t need an app.

@keeprocking

I'm 72, what's an app? That would be my reply!

Fantastic, why not take every opportunity to normalise and perpetuate ageism!