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Being denied entry because you dont have the track and trace app?

468 replies

Rudolphian · 27/09/2020 18:54

I haven't downloaded the app due to personal reasons.
I have started hearing stories about people being denied entry to pubs/ restaurants and cafes because they havent got the app.
Is this true?
Now I'm wondering what I'd do if it came into work, or if I'm told its compulsory to have to go to the supermarket?
Pretty sure its not a legal requirement yet.

OP posts:
JamieLeeCurtains · 27/09/2020 19:21

Reasons people might not have a modern enough phone for the app:

Age
Disability
Poverty
Freedom of choice / expression

Toilenstripes · 27/09/2020 19:21

@CraftyGin

Don't understand why people are bolshy about using the app.
This! If you are able to use the app then use the app and stop acting like you’re morally superior for “voting with your fucking feet.”
SoUtterlyGroundDown · 27/09/2020 19:23

Don’t get me wrong, when all this started and the app was first mooted I was keen for it to be launched and to download it. But as time has gone on and more and more lies have been told, and the more the government has proved itself to be totally untrustworthy and incompetent, I’ve changed my mind.

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Rudolphian · 27/09/2020 19:25

Inhinknthe government needs to make a statement clarifying this.
They needs to make it clear to businesses the track and trace app is not a legal requirement and they are should not refuse entry to people who do not/ or for whatever reason are not able to use the app.

OP posts:
WhentheDealGoesDown1 · 27/09/2020 19:25

I will vote with my feet and many others will too, and the crappy app has gone too.

vanillandhoney · 27/09/2020 19:26

@CraftyGin

Don't understand why people are bolshy about using the app.
I'm sure there are plenty of reasons. Personally I don't trust the government to monitor it or use it the way it should be used. I'm more than happy to provide my details in a restaurant or cafe, but I won't be downloading an app that can track all my movements via Bluetooth and order me to isolate because of it.

Not everyone can use it anyway - not all phone support it. Not everyone owns a smart phone. Not everyone owns a mobile phone. Everywhere should be providing an old fashioned "pen and paper" type system for those who don't want to/can't use the app.

rookiemere · 27/09/2020 19:27

I don't think my phone is modern enough for the Scottish version and haven't tried awfully hard to check that is the case.

I don't have an issue with giving my name and telephone number when I go places, I do have an issue with being "advised" to self isolate based on dodgy info from the app, and I don't believe that the information will be kept entirely private - why would it, whats the point unless they do something with it?

StarCat2020 · 27/09/2020 19:27

I'm glad to see they can't discriminate against us for that
What stops them from?

cologne4711 · 27/09/2020 19:28

Here is the guidance to quote at clueless pub managers (and in my case leisure centre operators) etc: ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2020/09/data-protection-guidance-for-collecting-customer-information/

Particularly: Organisations should not make the use of contact tracing apps mandatory, and should give people options to give their details for contact tracing purposes.

safariboot · 27/09/2020 19:28

I put it to this thread that requiring someone to have a smartphone with a certain app is discrimination, against anyone with a disability that affects their use of a smartphone.

PinkBuffalo · 27/09/2020 19:28

I do not have a phone with internet so cannot do this scanning thing.
Places I have been have just been writing details down As an alternative.
I have not been the only one who cannot first night of this at our community centre no one could do it lol
Maybe I live in a nice place that can just write our details down for us

ithinkiveseenthisfilmbefore · 27/09/2020 19:28

I won't be using the app.

AliciaWhiskers · 27/09/2020 19:28

@SoUtterlyGroundDown

Don’t get me wrong, when all this started and the app was first mooted I was keen for it to be launched and to download it. But as time has gone on and more and more lies have been told, and the more the government has proved itself to be totally untrustworthy and incompetent, I’ve changed my mind.
Completely agree with this.
cologne4711 · 27/09/2020 19:30

Don't understand why people are bolshy about using the app

I'm not being bolshy, I've downloaded it. But guess what - not every smartphone is compatible and not everyone has a smartphone. That cuts out quite a lot of people if you wrongly start saying people must use it.

And in the case of the leisure centre you have to book in to use the facilities, so it's all completely pointless unless you're a random visitor eg using their cafe or loo.

Legoandloldolls · 27/09/2020 19:30

Cant download it on my or dh"s phone and it's not been a issue for the places I have been since its release. If it was compulsory I would just go elsewhere

nancy75 · 27/09/2020 19:30

Husband runs a pub, they require you to be booked online & show your booking email or use the app. They do this because previously some ‘clever’ people were giving fake names & phone numbers.

mloo · 27/09/2020 19:31

I have thought of several ways to fake checking in -- and they don't even require a person to own a smart phone to look legit to anyone else trying to monitor. Non-issue to particularly complain about this imho. Any business trying to require it is just scared shitless of going bankrupt or being fined. They didn't set the rules, anyway.

ps: I legit checked in somewhere today and that was no big trauma deal, too.

cologne4711 · 27/09/2020 19:31

That is fine, the online booking is separate to the app.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 27/09/2020 19:31

I went to a cafe yesterday and none of us had the app so we just pretended we had done it and no one checked. My phone doesn't even have a QR scanner and I haven't got round to downloading that. I provably will get the app at some point soon I guess, I'm a little bit hesitant I don't really know why!

SoUtterlyGroundDown · 27/09/2020 19:32

@nancy75

Husband runs a pub, they require you to be booked online & show your booking email or use the app. They do this because previously some ‘clever’ people were giving fake names & phone numbers.
Happy to book online. Just don’t want to use the app.
cologne4711 · 27/09/2020 19:32

I didn't think you needed a separate QR code scanner, I thought the app did it?

ChicCroissant · 27/09/2020 19:34

^I have started hearing stories about people being denied entry to pubs/ restaurants and cafes because they havent got the app.
Is this true?^

Not in my experience - or yours, if you haven't actually been turned away from anywhere OP! So within hours of the app being available you think people are being turned away for not having it?

NicNac85 · 27/09/2020 19:34

I have an iPhone 6, I have no issues with using the app apart from the fact I can’t download it due my phone being too old.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 27/09/2020 19:35

I didn't think you needed a separate QR code scanner, I thought the app did it?

Yes it does, but you can use a QR scanner in some places (eg, macdonalds have their own tracking system with a different code for each outlet) without using the app.

KnightsofColumbusThatHurt · 27/09/2020 19:37

If the app tells you you have been in the same place as a positive person, does it tell you how long the contact was etc and whether you need to self isolate?