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People STILL not wearing masks on London buses

579 replies

custard6543 · 27/09/2020 14:09

I had to take a journey by bus earlier. There were about 10 people on the bus, three of whom were not wearing masks. Drivers need to stop letting people on without masks - these selfish passengers are putting everyone else’s lives at risk! Sad

OP posts:
Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 21:37

JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Where did Macaroni say they were selfish. All this putting words into people's mouthes so you can be outraged...

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 27/09/2020 21:38

@Macaroni46

I'm with you OP. The amount of non-mask wearers I've seen on public transport or in the supermarket that are strapping young males is astonishing, some in gym gear. I doubt very much that they are all exempt! I also find it astonishing how many MN users believe all the non-mask wearers are exempt. Seriously? Get into the real world. And yes, it does bother me if lots of people aren't wearing masks near me. And people should be allowed to express that fear without being accused of disabilism. Because lots of non-mask wearers are not disabled!
But have they actually been to the gym?
VillageGreenTree · 27/09/2020 21:45

Most people with asthma, even severe asthma, can wear a mask. There is no logical reason why they cannot. It has no effect on oxygen or carbon dioxide levels.

www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/what-should-people-with-asthma-do-now/

Chestergirl39 · 27/09/2020 21:46

@HeresMe
“Do you realise the total hypocrisy in this statement?

Not really it's about judging others for not wearing a mask, your issues with people not wearing them are a irrelevance.

Get some empathy for Christ sakes”

I’m sorry, you’ve totally lost me? Please show where I show a lack of empathy? Is it because we differ in opinion?

Whereas calling someone a “piece of sh*t” just oozes empathy doesn’t it!

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 27/09/2020 21:47

Oh... time to top up 🍿

MarriedtoDaveGrohl · 27/09/2020 21:54

Sorry Chester that was aimed at VilkageGreenTrees innocent link to the asthma society. Which she will be ripped apart for. It's like watching a pack of hyenas. It's all 'fuck off' and 'I can tell what kind of person you are' and lots of projection of ablist or disablism And 'masks dont work' a as nd of course the good old 'you have no empathy'.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 21:57

What does 'AD' stand for, as in the 'AD' threads? Sorry off topic.

HeresMe · 27/09/2020 21:59

And your empathy for people worried about catching coronavirus is?

As you happily discriminating against rape victims and the disabled that opinion is null and void.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 22:00

@LangClegsInSpace

They may not be 100% effective but short of locking yourself away what else have we got?

This is the problem isn't it? People honestly believe the only tools we have against this virus are lockdowns and masks!

Since the beginning, WHO have been telling us 'find, test, isolate and treat every case, trace and quarantine every contact'

Seven months in and we're still only paying lip service to this. We've put in some half-arsed systems that have achieved nothing much except for making profit for Boris's mates - and now these systems are falling to bits altogether.

Nobody seems that bothered about this. It's all to do with the fucking masks!

If every single person wore a mask everywhere and anybody who could not wear one was confined to their home, this would still be pissing in the ocean unless we get test, trace and isolate right.

Tumbleweed

I suppose it's because people can see masks and can see some people not wearing them in their day to day lives. Testing, tracing and isolating all seems a bit distant until it happens to you.

Putting a mask on is a small thing people can do that does appear to help a bit if you're somewhere indoors and crowded, in an area of high community transmission. It's a good idea to wear one if you can.

But I suspect for a lot of people who are fervent about mask wearing, it's more to do with control. I'm not being sneery, please hear me out.

None of us can directly affect testing, contact tracing or isolating, or make them work any better (but please write to your MP if you've encountered problems), most of us can wear a face covering. Putting a mask on is a small thing people can do so it helps them feel a little bit more in control, at a time when most of us are feeling extremely stressed from prolonged, unpredictable loss of control over our lives.

So you put your mask on, feel a little bit safer and a little bit more in control of your risk, and then you see other people not wearing one and you can't control that so your tiny bit of control is now gone.

It's no wonder feelings run so high over this.

It was the same during lockdown, same obsession with The Rules, same outrage at those deemed not to be complying, sadly in many cases the same disregard for what the rules actually said.

We're just not mentally equipped for month after month of bored terror.

The thing with masks is that they're not that effective. They can make a bit of difference in certain circumstances but masks alone will not save us.

While you are fretting about that person there not wearing a mask, this person here, who is wearing a mask, has symptoms but couldn't get a test so they haven't been able to get time off work.

And this other person, who is wearing a mask, knows they've been in contact with someone who tested positive a week ago, but contact tracing haven't been in touch yet, so they can't get time off work either.

That other person over there, also wearing a mask, has been told to isolate but can't afford to or is worried they'll lose their job if they do, so they're on your bus too.

They're all wearing masks, each one of them is a far greater risk to you and everyone else than any random person who's not wearing one.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 22:01

heresme

Oh my. Where did I say that?

Specifically. Point it out

Oliversmumsarmy · 27/09/2020 22:01

JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Oliversmumsarmy
Did they all tell the police they weren't exempt? Did the police ask for proof? What exactly happened

I am assuming they asked for proof that they were exempt but couldn’t produce anything so they got a fine
Stop making things up, there is no proof to pteduce because by law, no one is allowed to know your private medical information

Well then according to dd they all got fines.

Are you saying that anyone who isn’t wearing a mask just says they are exempt.

Why would anyone get a fine.

TinySleepThief · 27/09/2020 22:03

LangClegsInSpace

So eloquently written. Star

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 22:06

No nothing to do with control. Anything any of us can do to get this awful thing over quicker, the better.

Not wearing a mask when you can, is much more about control via defiance.

Countries with collectivism cultures, where people feel that they have a responsibility to their flow man, have managed this much better.

Maybe we could learn something.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 27/09/2020 22:08

The whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. The fact is that you've no way of knowing whether these strangers were exempt or not, and you only make a fool of yourself pretending otherwise.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 22:09

Countries with collectivism cultures

Can you say which countries you mean? It would be very helpful.

LangClegsInSpace · 27/09/2020 22:14

No nothing to do with control.

but also ...

Anything any of us can do to get this awful thing over quicker, the better.

When I said it was about control what did you think I meant?

SheepandCow · 27/09/2020 22:15

@HeresMe

And your empathy for people worried about catching coronavirus is?

As you happily discriminating against rape victims and the disabled that opinion is null and void.

The reduced safety caused by lack of mask wearing can indeed be extremely triggering, traumatic, and distressing for rape survivors - who have a strong need to feel safe, but the tiny minority of people genuinely unable to wear a mask can't help it and are not discriminating against anyone.

I do agree that the lack of measures to contain Covid could be seen as discriminating against the disabled, since millions of them are at increased risk of death from Covid.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/09/2020 22:19

LangClegsInSpace

Primarily Asian countries like South Korea, Singapore etc

People STILL not wearing masks on London buses
Derbygerbil · 27/09/2020 22:20

Good to know that if you're a young man in gym wear there is zero chance you have asthma, anxiety, autism or any other disability or reason for not wearing a mask. It just has to be because you're selfish.

Not zero chance maybe, but I’d be surprised if the number of 20-something men on buses who both aren’t wearing, and can’t wear, masks is more than 1 in 100. I know disabilities can be hidden, but come off it, of course the vast majority aren’t wearing masks for valid reasons. I wasn’t born yesterday. I feel sorry for the tiny proportion of young men who do have valid reasons for not wearing one.

SheepandCow · 27/09/2020 22:25

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer

The whole premise of this thread is ridiculous. The fact is that you've no way of knowing whether these strangers were exempt or not, and you only make a fool of yourself pretending otherwise.
If nothing else it's useful as it's highlighted a concerning health crisis in the UK. We seem to have a much higher percentage of people unable to wear masks than other countries.

It's also a safe space (excepting the fuck offs and being called pieces of shit) for people to discuss or vent their concerns. There are millions of people at increased risk from Covid in the UK. And everyone is actually at risk because of Long Covid. It's understandable that some might want to discuss their concerns here.

Had we taken stricter measures earlier we wouldn't be on this thread debating these issues. The sooner Covid is contained, the sooner we have no need for masks or any other restrictions. Unfortunately it seems like we're continuing down the drag it all out road, moaning and complaining every step of the way.

nubeejinnings · 27/09/2020 22:27

Wearing a mask is not law. If you are in an exempt category you don't have to wear one. Remember not every disability is visible. Oh and don't be so fecking judgmental. We are all struggling with this covid.

Derbygerbil · 27/09/2020 22:28

It’s weird that some parts of the country have many times more people who can’t wear masks than others. How bizarre that where I live in Suffolk, compliance is around 95%+, with that being 100% for every older and infirm person, yet in some parts of London, large numbers of 20-somethings are apparently unable to! Who could have guessed it!

nubeejinnings · 27/09/2020 22:29

@custard6543 check the government guidelines and law. You can download your own exemption. The police fines aren't worth the paper they're written on.

yikesanotherbooboo · 27/09/2020 22:32

I'm not unduly anxious about COVID but I do have sympathy with the OP and I think we are tying ourselves in knots about it. Almost everyone can wear a mask . A few can't and no one reasonable would criticise the occasional person without a mask on the basis that clearly there are physical and mental health reasons why one would be exempt.
My DH was buying petrol last week and the garage was full of people queuing to pay who were maskless. This was in a motorway service station during rush hour. He was taken aback because in our usual everyday lives, Home Counties suburbia / busy health care workers we don't come across this demographic in numbers.

SheepandCow · 27/09/2020 22:33

@LangClegsInSpace
I agree that masks alone don't help but I'm not so sure they don't make much difference. I thought experts discovered they reduce infection by quite a lot? (Based on research looking at various different countries, who had different measures aside from masks). Is there new evidence changing things again?

I do agree it's partly about much needed psychological control around safety for some people. Actually many people. For whom we should have empathy.

As I've said so many times, we should've done what Australia and New Zealand did. We'd have no need for masks or most other measures by now had we used our island advantage.