We were doing ok until we opened all the schools....

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After lockdown was lifted pre September and pubs, restaurants etc were opened we seemed to have a handle on Covid with cases, hospital admissions and deaths all declining fairly steadily. Since we released millions of school aged children and thousands of teachers etc back into the classroom- boom, cases and consequently deaths, are now growing very rapidly again. It didn't take a rocket scientist to work out that this would happen. I work in a school and I have a 15 year old starting his gcse's so I 100% don't want the schools to close but surely there must be a more workable solution? Couldn't schools be one week, one week off for different bubbles or alternate days? Nobody wants schools to shut but surely in the long term if we don't get something safer in place and just continue sending kids and adults in day after day, then eventually they will close again?

Just read two things.

Liverpool 8,000 kids isolating, something like 350 staff isolating.

School in Wigan closed as 35 or so members have Covid, and lots of students ( l think, not sure about the students)

Cover bad today - 6 staff off. No supply available

Latest map.

www.boycottunsafeschools.co.uk/reported-covid-19-cases/school-cases-after-12-8-20/?fbclid=IwAR1FTySranodyjqHfUv8okgtyfdrjITKtbPIHwLVOSaW2N1cgxymeMBwjKk

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince
Two schools I know of personally in Kent missing off that map. One had three bubbles burst in the first full week and one burst at the other early last week.

How many are missing up and down the country?

The guy who does it just relies on people sending in data. If people don’t send it in, he can’t add to it.

As our government obviously can’t publish it.

I'm so glad I have home educated these past three years with my youngest...it all sounds shit...so glad I'm out of all this nightmare!

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I would assume they would need something like a local newspaper report? Both of the schools I know of haven’t made this public. The lack of transparency is alarming.

Tip off the press i did for a couple of schools

There is just silence from the politicians on any problems with transmission in schools. They just don’t want to face this issue. Do you think schools will just stay open until they are forced to close due to lack of staff?

@NebularNerd and what will parents do that have to work - not all schools need to shut if they are doing ok.. none round here have had thier bubbles burst!

Read somewhere that a teacher who was previously shielding has caught it at school and is now in ICU

Read somewhere that a teacher who was previously shielding has caught it at school and is now in ICU

I think it's actually quite unfair to people to post things like that without providing a reliable source.

I read all sorts of things in all sorts of places, some of them will be true and some of them won't.

They're not testing close contacts so there will be no data around transmission in schools - but if we end up with ECV teachers in ICU then it will be difficult to deny.

They're not collecting the data that will show anything they don't want it to show.

Eventually, it will become obvious that their idea that sending back schools without all the things the scientists said were needed (small class sizes, SD, masks, fast turn-around testing for everyone who needs it) was bloody stupid, but they're going to try and hide / avoid collecting the data that proves that as long as possible.

I hope any teacher that gets ill sues the bloody government. However, when you're ill naturally the focus is on getting better and all the trauma of being ill. They're relying on that fact so no-one will hold them to account for the unsafe workplaces they forced teachers back into. The unions should be on this and step up to do this.

I think it's actually quite unfair to people to post things like that without providing a reliable source.

Maybe

But

Not as unfair as forcing ECV teachers back to work without ANY of the mitigation measures in ALL other workplaces: SD or masks or both.

And this is fact, it has happened.

Nevertheless, if it is true provide a source. This is a rumour at the moment as far as I'm concerned. It might be true or it might not be.

True.

But.

Outbreaks in school are now the largest group..... and there is no SD, there are no masks. And ECV teachers have had to go back.

It seems to me we - as a country - would be incredibly lucky given all these facts to not have some very ill teachers / school staff. Surely we should be trying to prevent this rather than wait for the data that it's happening?

We know what safe school reopening looks like. In the UK we actually have the best conditions for coronavirus to spread - crowded, indoor environments where 30 children and some adults spend many hours a day. No masks, no social distancing.

I just don't understand why so many people are ok with this.

*@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince
Two schools I know of personally in Kent missing off that map. One had three bubbles burst in the first full week and one burst at the other early last week.

How many are missing up and down the country?*

Loads are missing. I sent some evidence and links for 5 midlands schools and they don't seem to have been updated.

Looking at the graph, cases were falling until the first week of July, then they start to rise.

Pretty sure that's when the bars reopened.

Making alarmist, unsubstantiated statements weakens any argument (however valid) overall because they are easily dismissed.

@Stabbitha
Was that the overall graph including household transmission? The graph for various sectors is more useful. Bars reopened at the end of week 27 and barely registered until week 36 (mauve block). That little blip would have coincided with the bank holiday weekend I would have thought.

@Sunshinegirl82
I don’t think stabbitha was being alarmist, it was just their opinion.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Read somewhere that a teacher who was previously shielding has caught it at school and is now in ICU

This was the comment I would suggest is alarmist (and unsubstantiated).

@Sunshinegirl82
Apologies, I assumed the last post before your post.

@2X4B523P

How's you groinal attachment?