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Is anyone actually still behind the Prime Minister?

231 replies

annabel85 · 21/09/2020 16:31

I don't think he has handled the pandemic as well as he could tbh and i've noticed the tide turning on here recently very much against him. The right wing media are really getting restless with Boris as well and of course the left are sticking the knife in.

I think a lot of people cut him loads of slack because it was an unprecedented situation and then he got really ill himself (I don't think his 'shake hands with the virus' attitude was sensible either) which set the government back in their response. Then he was let down by his main advisor which has eroded confidence in his administration.

How can Boris get a hold of this and the government approach to Covid and get everyone back on side again? 9 months ago he won one of the biggest landslides ever, to huge fanfare. It's a bit of a downfall at the moment, he still has a chance to recover it.

Boris needs to unite the country again.

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MarshaBradyo · 22/09/2020 08:29

Yes Gove good on R4

Interviewer as usual frustrating, wish they’d change their attacking approach

MagpieSong · 22/09/2020 08:32

I’ve never supported Boris Johnson. I appreciated the furlough scheme, but the reality is the Tories have mindsets and views that are very damaging to lots of people and don’t acknowledge who you’re born to and brought up by has a huge bearing on your life. Whilst there are exceptions, I don’t find their beliefs based in fact or any experience of people’s difficulties. I also think they lack empathy. Any encouragement of Brexit was stupid, the original vote was idiocy. The majority knew nothing about the EU and there was a huge amount of racism that noticeably increased around the vote.

Any Gov would be getting a negative wrap from some through Covid because it’s high stress and causes difficult decisions. I don’t ignore that fact and acknowledge things that have been more positive. However, I do not agree with some of the handling - the suggestion of paying through benefit freezes (NO), the lack of birthing partners for women, cancer treatment being stopped (they need to try and facilitate urgent care), clapping the NHS yet underfunding them, going on about MH care but never improving it and not getting therapy available and accessible, eat out to help out (god, idiot government. Should have been ‘catch it to spread it’), rubbish protections for school children and threats of fining etc.

No doubt I’d disagree with some things any government would do, however the fact this Gov come from very different stand points, priorities and morals to my own means there’s likely more I dislike.

Anjo2011 · 22/09/2020 08:41

No prime minister is ever praised and generally the voters are unhappy because there never seems to be any true leadership. Theresa May was absolutely annihilated by the public and her colleagues but I think she would have at least been present in the situation. If Boris isn’t up for the job whether it be health wise or he’s just incompetent then he should step down. He never seems to be visible and that’s what I need to see.

cyclingmad · 22/09/2020 08:42

Isn't it wonderful to be a hinsigut politician which is what most on here are.

Your not in the situation right now being given information and having to make decisions without the benefit of hindsight.

How many threads on here have there been of people posting about ahoukdnthey break the rules...only so much a person can say keepp your distance etc.

We as the public don't help ourselves and the media just fans the flames, its been days of articles of supposedly what the PM will say and then on here threads saying oh no they are going to xyz before its even been announced.

Why can't people of the media wait until the facts are given on what will happen instead of making stuff up.

Fawnfour · 22/09/2020 11:22

Jesus, cut the guy some slack, do you guys think you could run for government, cos I know sure as hell I couldn't/ wouldn't want to have to make the decisions he has.
So hes made a few bad decisions, so hes backtracked, hes doing his best,
Really it comes down to the selfish public that are not complying with the law, and still people are saying "well I'm not following the rules", that is y things are so messed up.
Get a grip, start following the rules, then we might start seeing some improvement.

Sooverthemill · 22/09/2020 11:24

@Fawnfour he hasn't made a few bad decisions. He's made an endless number of bad decisions and contradicts himself many times a day. He has been putting himself up for the job for years, however he isn't very good at being PM and ought to resign

rosie1959 · 22/09/2020 11:27

Fawnfour totally agree
Easy to sit and criticise

Fawnfour · 22/09/2020 11:29

Like I said, would you like to run the country and be making these decisions?
It's a fact that a lot of the public are very selfish and will not follow the rules, in my opinion, that's worse and thats what's causing these problems we have now. Y do people find it so hard to follow rules!!

Fawnfour · 22/09/2020 11:30

Thankyou rosie 1959
Nice to know I am not alone

Cornettoninja · 22/09/2020 11:33

I’ve never voted Tory but do try and make a conscious effort not to commit to any one party.

There has been good and bad in the handling of this pandemic. When they finally got their act together enough to actually start leading and make decisions in March I think they actually did a pretty good job.

However, testing has become a fiasco, brexit negotiations should have been paused and I feel that we needed much stronger leadership. There has been far to much half-assed ‘advising’ going on leaving people room to make up their own rules and facts. I can’t help but feel that everything is done with half an eye on the polls and that’s not we need. Even if the news is bad we need clear and concise information to stay on the same page. If they don’t know something that needs to be clear.

ProperlyPdOff · 22/09/2020 11:34

Boris needs to unite the country again after ripping the country in two over Brexit?
There hasn't been any unity since then.
And I will never forgive him or half of this country for depriving my DC of the opportunity of freedom of movement, freedom of work, freedom of study within our nearest neighbours.
Even before the coronavirus shambles starting with not preparing from January onwards like other countries.

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 22/09/2020 11:37

My ds (18) said recently; “I don’t like all this criticism of Boris. Boris is my boy.”

Needless to say, ds has been thrown out.* And I have to admit that I have failed as a parent. Sad

*Actually, that bit’s not true. I’ve simply made him watch Harry Enfield’s Tory Boy on repeat.

SallySeven · 22/09/2020 11:39

I suspect even Carrie will tick Green in the privacy of the voting booth!

Cornettoninja · 22/09/2020 11:40

@Anjo2011 I actually would have preferred TM in the PM seat through this. She is no where near perfect but she is straight forward and focussed on the job at hand.

I admired her greatly for stepping into the leadership hole left by brexit. She was a declared remainer and still attempted to do a job that the country had voted for despite her own beliefs. Of course it was probably the only opportunity for her to get anywhere near being PM but compared to those who had vocally campaigned for brexit then developed a case of selective hearing when the opportunity to lead us through it presented itself on a plate does reveal a hint of integrity.

cyclingmad · 22/09/2020 11:41

@ProperlyPdOff goodbye your welcome to move to neither country. Not all about you and your precious child.

ProperlyPdOff · 22/09/2020 11:43

Pretty much demonstrates the intellect of Brexit voters with your typos cyclingmad (accurate adjective).

ProperlyPdOff · 22/09/2020 11:44

And nasty attitude

deydododatdodontdeydo · 22/09/2020 11:45

TM would have done a better job.
However competent you think she was, she didn't run away from her responsibilities and lie like Boris has.
A lot of people who voted Tory have turned against him, but it won't change anything.
If there was another election tomorrow he'd probably get back in, not on his handling of corona, but on Brexit again.

Sooverthemill · 22/09/2020 11:49

@Fawnfour

Like I said, would you like to run the country and be making these decisions? It's a fact that a lot of the public are very selfish and will not follow the rules, in my opinion, that's worse and thats what's causing these problems we have now. Y do people find it so hard to follow rules!!
That's all true but he is still a fucking awful PM. I didn't put myself up for the job and no I wouldn't want to run the country but he did. He also had condones rule breaking ( see the fiasco around Dominic Cummings). He is not a leader
cyclingmad · 22/09/2020 11:51

@ProperlyPdOff how do you im a brexiter? You don't, your just making an assumption.

Oh my gosh I made a few typos cos I couldn't be bothered to proofread what I wrote.

But hey I'm not the only moaning about this country that I live in. If it no longer provided the opportunities i would like, then I would move instead of moaning.

Thegooseberrysmywitness · 22/09/2020 11:51

To be fair, he won a landslide victory on a single issue populist slogan: Get Brexit Done. Unfortunately you can't bluster your way through a pandemic with a slogan.

^ I agree with this. Unfortunately, Covid-19 may have given him and Cummings the perfect opportunity to bluster through the worst effects of Brexit. They will be able to blame any lorry queues and drug and food shortages on the global pandemic. You couldn't make it up!

cyclingmad · 22/09/2020 11:53

@ProperlyPdOff and I don't have a masty attitude. There is a whole world out there to live in. Your not stuck to just having to live in the UK, with over 300 countries there is plenty of choice.

So if you hate what is happening here and your poor child isn't going to have opportunities, save up and move elsewhere where it does.

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 22/09/2020 12:04

I regularly watch PM questions, and I've yet to see him actually answer one from anyone other than another (pre-prepped) Tory

ProperlyPdOff · 22/09/2020 12:09

goodbye your welcome to move to neither country assume 'neither' should be 'another'.
Basically the Brexit-voting person's equivalent of 'go back where you came from'.

OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer · 22/09/2020 12:09

@Fawnfour

Like I said, would you like to run the country and be making these decisions? It's a fact that a lot of the public are very selfish and will not follow the rules, in my opinion, that's worse and thats what's causing these problems we have now. Y do people find it so hard to follow rules!!
This is such a dipshit argument. He's the PM. It's a choice he made. We're at a minimum entitled to scrutinise him, and arguably that's a citizen duty that you're completely failing in by doing the waaaah how would you like it in his shoes spiel.
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