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So. Predictions for tomorrow? Boris's speech.

477 replies

BabyLlamaZen · 21/09/2020 15:25

I'm pretty sure we're going to get told we can't see any other households for 2 weeks and a curfew on pubs.

Although a part of me thinks they'll just say no to seeing any other households and leave it at that with no limit. I'm hoping they'll keep the support bubbles though.

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TheABC · 21/09/2020 16:36

I am hoping for coherence. Yes, my bar is set that low.

swabthenose · 21/09/2020 16:36

To be fair, I think the opposite is true. A lot of companies have seen a reduction in rents and premises costs that they aren't keen to go back to.

Good. Then the employers that want to stick to a corrupt government’s guidelines will lose out in the long run when (once things settles down) talented people leave for the offices that do encourage WFH. Bearing in mind the whole of the U.K. just opened up to them in their job hunt.

Areyousureted · 21/09/2020 16:38

No going in to other people homes and a curfew of pubs would be not having much affect surely? That’s not very restrictive considering the situation

Monkeytapper · 21/09/2020 16:41

Can my childminder still look after my daughter before and after school does anyone know?

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/09/2020 16:41

That’s not very restrictive considering the situation

Don't ya know, 5.30-10pm civid is all over your arse...10pm it goes home and wait for 800am when it can pounce on the bus instead.

Not like 4 hours together is 4 hours together whetwhe its between 11pm and 3am or 5pm and 9pm..Hmm

Aragog · 21/09/2020 16:41

I'm going to a wedding at the weekend, what do you think it means for that?

So am I. I really hope it gets to go ahead this time. In local lockdown areas in England they can still go ahead.

thebutcherswife · 21/09/2020 16:43

Glad to see the hysteria is still ripe on here! I can’t believe people are still afraid of getting on with their lives and learning to live with this virus.
Where are all the deaths that the press shouted about after everyone when to the beach and the mass protests in London? I don’t understand why we’ve given tv coverage to two scientists. I didn’t vote for these two so who’s really in charge? I don’t believe the hospitals are going to be overwhelmed, they weren’t the first time and we managed to build a new one that was barely used. Lockdown isn’t going to work as the majority of us have had enough of our freedoms being dictated to us. I worked all the way through lockdown, whilst millions were sat at home and now we’re finally getting some small semblance of a life back you want to shut everything down again?
FYI 30000 extra people died from flu in 2016-17 and yet we didn’t have the levels of hand wringing and mass hysterics that we are seeing today.

CoolYourBeansMySon · 21/09/2020 16:43

@Letseatgrandma

If they stop households mixing it will

How will the pubs closing an hour early stop households mixing, though?

Stopping households mixing is one thing-I don’t see what closing pubs an hour early will actually achieve other than creating a ‘happy hour’ effect of squeezing drinking time into a shorter period.

Because people are meeting people from other households in the pub!
lynsey91 · 21/09/2020 16:43

Well whatever is said it will be guaranteed that far too many people will ignore it.

The neighbours each side of me have more or less ignored all the rules since the very beginning of lock down and one of them is a nurse!

One side were meant to be isolating because one of their children had a cough. The dad was still going out shopping even though he has family living less than a 2 minute walk away. They also had friends and family visiting all the time.

Today I heard his wife telling someone on the phone (she talks so loud the whole street can probably hear her) that he is going to have a test on Friday. He thinks he has a cold but needs to make sure.

Well if he thinks it is a cold he should not be having a test and if there is a chance he has the virus why the hell is he at work and their children at school? She works in a care home and I can guarantee she goes to work tomorrow

TheNewLook · 21/09/2020 16:43

What the logic behind pubs closing early? How does that help? Surely people just go earlier?

JacobReesMogadishu · 21/09/2020 16:44

I think they want to stop boozy big nights out.

TheNewLook · 21/09/2020 16:44

Because people are meeting people from other households in the pub!

So how does closing a bit earlier change that?

UnholyStramash · 21/09/2020 16:45

D expect travel being restricted to essential journeys only which they kind of are already. But greater clarity is required . Maybe distance restricted. Essential should be just for work, shopping groceries, health, study, care for someone in need.

JacobReesMogadishu · 21/09/2020 16:45

And if people do just go out earlier they’ll end up being shut all together. Boris doesn’t mind people having a quiet pint in their local, he doesn’t want crowds of people not socially distanced hanging around city centres on a pub crawl.

Littleposh · 21/09/2020 16:46

Where I am we've not been allowed in other houses or gardens for 8 weeks straight now so I'd say it's not really working

Letseatgrandma · 21/09/2020 16:46

Because people are meeting people from other households in the pub!

It won’t make any difference if the pub shuts at 10 or 11 though.

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/09/2020 16:46

I think they want to stop boozy big nights out

Aah the good old days where drinking was done in the pub after 7.00.

Round here we just watch the police play whack-a-mole with the street day drinkers

GetOffYourHighHorse · 21/09/2020 16:47

'Can my childminder still look after my daughter before and after school does anyone know'

Hancock has just said today that grandparents can look after dgc as child care, so I'm sure childminders will carry on as usual.

I would guess they will stop households mixing socially. Not carers and not childcare just socialising for a few weeks until numbers level off.

smilingthroughgrittedteeth · 21/09/2020 16:49

@Letseatgrandma

Is a pub curfew to 9/10pm actually going to make any difference to anything?! It will probably just encourage the people in them to drink more in a shorter time and be more pissed when they leave.
This is exactly what i think. A curfew is pointless people will just go to the pub earlier or drink more in less time
BanditoShipman · 21/09/2020 16:50

@lynsey91

Well whatever is said it will be guaranteed that far too many people will ignore it.

The neighbours each side of me have more or less ignored all the rules since the very beginning of lock down and one of them is a nurse!

One side were meant to be isolating because one of their children had a cough. The dad was still going out shopping even though he has family living less than a 2 minute walk away. They also had friends and family visiting all the time.

Today I heard his wife telling someone on the phone (she talks so loud the whole street can probably hear her) that he is going to have a test on Friday. He thinks he has a cold but needs to make sure.

Well if he thinks it is a cold he should not be having a test and if there is a chance he has the virus why the hell is he at work and their children at school? She works in a care home and I can guarantee she goes to work tomorrow

I’m not particularly into ‘telling’, but in that circumstance I would (if I knew who to tell!). It’s horrendous behaviour especially as she works in a care home!!!
Aragog · 21/09/2020 16:50

In local lockdown areas people can't mix with households in their homes and gardens, but can aside of those with the normal SDing guidelines ad rule of 6. It is advised against but it isn't actually a 'you cannot' rule.

Pub and restaurant curfews seem to vary between 9 and 10pm.

Childcare can only happen if its a registered childcare setting - so registered childminders and ASC, etc are fine. Using grandparents isn't - however, this appears to being ignored in many (most?) cases as the parents have little choice - its that or not work, and not working in't an option for the vast majority of working parents.

I can't see what the 2 week circuit break will do. Closing down for several weeks didn't stop it. It delayed it. Surely a two week break will just slow it down for a fortnight, and then we go back to before again.

People are far less likely to be compliant this time round. Most people are fine with masks, there happy using sanitisers/washing hands more, fine with some SDing from people they don't know so well. and most can manage with the groups of 6 - its pain in some situations, but day to day for most its not too bad. But they are now less likely to comply with not seeing anyone else at all in any setting, not being able to do other normal social activities, etc - not when they have to go to work and school on top. I suspect that's why they keep changing things to make them actually illegal just because it may persuade some extra people into complying.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2020 16:51

Power to be given to local authorities to shut down venues which are not applying social distancing rules, without having to go to the secretary of state to authorise this.

A new financial scheme to give financial support to households on low income to self isolate (cos Johnson loves stealing every suggestion Andy Burnham comes up with and trying to pass it off as his own original idea).

He will emphasis that this is a critical moment, that people have become complacent and if they don't stick the rules, he will be forced to 'cancel christmas' and we will be to blame (not the government) and he will be very sad and sorry about this.

Johnson will want to look tough so there will be some more on pointless covid marshalls (people love the idea but there's no money to fund them and they won't have powers anyway).

He will also want to get the credit for 'nice schemes' (can't let Rishi Sunak get a popular policy like eat out to help out through again).

He will threaten a second lockdown if we don't take it serious (there won't be one).

I think we will see a nationwide 10pm bar and restuarant curfew, but I remain unconvinced that we will see a national no one in the back garden rule.

We might see a systemisation of existing local lockdown rules - with maybe with a rating system. So Area X is under a amber restrictions and Area Y is under red restrictions to try and make it easier to understand restrictions by area. But Johnson won't explain this complicated bit very well.

Then some contrary piffly waffle which will confuse everyone because we are still waiting on the government release of the paperwork which actually explains how things will work because Johnson manages to make it as clear as mud.

He will also say Hands, Face, Space a lot so don't play a Johnson drinking game whilst watching this, which has an option to 'drink' everytime he uses a three letter slogan.

DGRossetti · 21/09/2020 16:51

@swabthenose

To be fair, I think the opposite is true. A lot of companies have seen a reduction in rents and premises costs that they aren't keen to go back to.

Good. Then the employers that want to stick to a corrupt government’s guidelines will lose out in the long run when (once things settles down) talented people leave for the offices that do encourage WFH. Bearing in mind the whole of the U.K. just opened up to them in their job hunt.

Hmm

Admittedly quite a few SME IT "systems" really aren't up to it. We'll have to wait until a few business go under when they've lost a truckload of data for the message to start getting through. (The recent thread about someone WFH on their own kit was a doozy ...)

But as soon as one firm gets an "edge" by not splashing out on offices with eye-watering rents and plastic plants, the playing field will start to tilt.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 21/09/2020 16:51

If pubs are staying open I think maybe if I set my dining room up like a pub my son and his partner can still come over on Saturday.
Last time they planned it a week in advance we had full lockdown.

Bibidy · 21/09/2020 16:52

I'm really hoping they might go back to a limit on social contact rather than a blanket ban.

Even limiting to contact with just one other household will make a huge difference for people in terms or childcare and combatting loneliness.