So. Predictions for tomorrow? Boris's speech.

[BabyLlamaZen]

I'm pretty sure we're going to get told we can't see any other households for 2 weeks and a curfew on pubs.

Although a part of me thinks they'll just say no to seeing any other households and leave it at that with no limit. I'm hoping they'll keep the support bubbles though.

Stop socialising when there is a socially spread virus pandemic.

Or if we need the 3 phrase soundbite... meet fewer people , fewer times , in fewer places.

Or just "stay home for a bit"

My front door is my infection barrier. Only my household gets to come inside.

I’m not being sent back to the office but not allowed to see my family. Bollocks to that.

Stopping household mixing would probably be the most effective measure but it's completely unenforceable. So I can see them going for some non-voluntary/enforcable stuff like closing down pubs/cafes/gyms for a fortnight.

If they do lockdown then they need to class schools/teaching as essential and staff are keyworkers.

Too much opened too quickly. They should have avoided the meal offers and pub reopens etc and focussed solely on getting education back up and running.

Only once they could properly see the figures from that should they have then slowly looked at what should open next.

There will definitely be threats of further restrictions if people don't follow what is said tomorrow.

Apart from that no idea. More fines to claw back some list revenue?

My front door is my infection barrier. Only my household gets to come inside.

And any Coronavirus they might be carrying from the hundreds they mix with at work, school, the pub, the gym etc.

If they stop households mixing it will

How will the pubs closing an hour early stop households mixing, though?

Stopping households mixing is one thing-I don’t see what closing pubs an hour early will actually achieve other than creating a ‘happy hour’ effect of squeezing drinking time into a shorter period.

They’ve just announced that childcare will be an exemption to local lockdowns

If households are banned from mixing, how will we care for her?

This is the trouble there are just too many exceptions to be effective

We arent a country where everyone lives together and takes care if their families.

We arent a country where everyone works 9-5 and gets an hour off at lunch to go shopping.

We are a country where essential workers have to travel too and from work 24 hours a day. We are a country where we need the ability to shop 24 hours a day because we don't all jusg work 9-5.

We arent a country where returning to work is a priority and there is affordable child care. We rely on grandparents friends and family to cover erratic childcare requirements.

We arent a country that believes in its workers. You face disciplinaries for calling in sick .

Whatever we do there are just far to many people it just cannot apply to

He will say that he was never in Italy and that him and Carrie and definitely still together.

They spoke of crowded unventilated places with no room for social distancing being where the virus spreads easily.

Maybe they should close schools.

Doesnt realy matter what is announced if it isnt enforced !

I was in a builders merchants in Farringdon Road EC1 on saturday and the manager actually asked one of the customers to put a mask on or leave , first time I have seen that as usually only a few bother

I sit in traffic at the top of Grays Inn Road trying to get onto Marlybone watching the empty newly created cycle lanes and the empty pavements with the red buses half full .Still people on the buses without masks on wtf !

As I say if it isnt enforced then it wont really matter

Agree with employers wanting employees where they can see them. I can do my job perfectly fine from home however I recently had to self isolate and requested to WFH during. Was told no, and had to take it as sick leave.

I know what I'll be saying the next time my boss rings me at home and asks for something

I have to travel to a family funeral on Monday - I need to be there to support a very frail parent - anxious about what’s going to happen

I expect that the measures that have been applied to the north of England and some of the Midlands and which people are expecting to be apied to most of London will be extended through all of England.

In that case it will be completely ineffective, and we will carry on up that exponential curve.

My area is just getting worse and we’ve had these extra restrictions for a while now.

No one is enforcing them and no one is listening to them.

About 10 million people are already not allowed to mix with other households so it won't make a lot of difference for many. Not sure that a curfew will make any difference. Closing pubs and café's altogether would make a difference but they probably won't want to do that.

Sadly I suspect it will be a list of 'measures' that don't ensure compliance, don't cost the Government any money but leave law abiding people in the shit. Eg. No closing of pubs/restaurants (so harder for businesses or employees to claim insurance/support) but emploring people to 'act responsibly'/limit outings etc, schools must stay open full time (but no additional cash for making them covid safe), no extra testing facilities (so even more school staff off isolating so harder for schools to stay open as decreed), keep going to work but no mixing households so those relying on family help for child care are screwed (exemptions if you are a government adviser obvs)

Then when schools can't stay open, unemployment increases and cases are still rising in a few weeks we can be told it's all our fault.

@swabthenose

It SHOULD be WFH where possible. There is no good reason why not. But it won’t be as Boris only cares about his property owning pals and many employers only care about having their employees where they can see them.

To be fair, I think the opposite is true. A lot of companies have seen a reduction in rents and premises costs that they aren't keen to go back to. Which is why Boris was so desperate to urge them to "get back to normal". Seems market forces are deciding. Which is exactly what any half decent Tory would cheer in between claps for the NHS.

If we can't go in other peoples houses that basically means I can't go to work.

1. no problems with testing, we are all thick and are having tests for no reason just because they’re free so it’s our fault
2. fines. Because we must tackle the virus (nothing to do with putting people off getting tested, nope)
3. we must ‘follow the science’
4. schools are safe. So safe. Covid secure.
5. local lockdowns
6. socialising will kill granny, you stupid plebs
7. “the right steps at the right time”
8. pubs reducing hours
9. “Christmas will be cancelled if you plebs can’t behave”

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer

They spoke of crowded unventilated places with no room for social distancing being where the virus spreads easily.

Maybe they should close schools.

Yup. Taught a class this afternoon where, on the register, a pupil had been sent home at lunch for symptoms. Joy of joys.

@Splodgetastic

The first cobra meeting in four months!

How the fuck has that happened?!

We have weekly project meetings at work for much less important stuff than a global pandemic but they haven't met for 4 months...

And any Coronavirus they might be carrying from the hundreds they mix with at work, school, the pub, the gym etc

Work have covid measures in place, both mine and DH, no school, no pub, no gym, groceries delivered.

Mr Hancock said he agreed "100 per cent" pointing to the social bubbles for single households "which were created for precisely this reason".

Seen this mentioned, looks as if limited social contact but with that bubble arrangement again

I think the idea that’s been mooted of a 2 week circuit break isn’t a bad one. Everyone WFH for 2 weeks wherever possible, no non-essential travel, no socialising and no gym/pub/restaurants. I also think schools should close for 2 weeks as otherwise it’s pointless-there’s just too much people mixing caused by schools being open.

And then what? Go back to what we are doing now and after a couple of weeks be back to square one. How will that help?