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Witty and Valance briefing today

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CrunchyCarrot · 21/09/2020 11:24

Here's my rough transcript of what was said. Apologies for any typos as I was having to rush to get it all down.

Valance spoke first and reminds us how virus is spread.
Slides showing what is happening in Spain and France
as disease spreads, expect to see increase in hospitalisations and thence deaths.
England data (but is similar across UK) - cases per 100,000 population by age groups. Can see an inc across all age groups (lowest children). Proportion of positive tests have risen. Samples across pop show a similar increase.

ONS study, about 70,000 across UK have covid infection and about 6000 per day are getting infection,
Numbers are clearly inc across all age groups, a little different across all areas. This is leading to an increase in hospitalisation.

Reminds us how quickly virus can move. Slide showscases up to mid Sept (3,105 new cases) Think cases are doubling roughly every 7 days. If this continues, then there would be 49,000 new cases on 13 October per day. Challenge is to slow that down.

Final word - immunity slide. Vast majority of people get antibody response, some are neutralising antibodies. They fade over time, there are cases of some people being reinfected. Under 8% of pop have been infected and produced antibodies. The vast majority of us aren't protected and are thus susceptible to the disease.

Witty speaks - shows 2 maps of England. 1st shows total rate of transmission, and second map shows change of rate of transmission. We've seen smaller outbreaks growing larger over time. Rising cases are happening throughout England.

In-patient cases in England from 1st Aug. Up till then, cases had been falling, but since 1st Sept steady sustained increase in cases. This tells us if this carries on unabated then the no of deaths will continue to rise on an exponential curve. Seasons are against us, they benefit respiratory viruses and will likely benefit Covid. Next 6 months we have to collectively take this v seriously.

Is this a milder virus than that in April? No evidence he can see of that. Still says for many this is a mild infection (younger age groups) but in older age groups can be quite serious. Mortality rates will be significantly greater than that of seasonal flu. This virus is more virulent than flu.

Treatment is better, more drugs and more effective treatment, but not enough to eliminate or take cases right down.

Four ways in which this viruas will have a significant effect:

  1. direct Covid deaths (get virus, die of it)
  2. overwhelming of NJHS emergency services
  3. v. important - if the NHS is having to spend a large part of its effort on Covid cases, then it will lead to a reduction in treatment and diagnosis of other diseases, i.e. indirect deaths
  4. Some things we have to do will impact on mental health and economy. V difficult balance. Too littel and virus gets out of control, toomuch and damage to economy etc.

If I increase my risk I inc the risk to everyone around me, then everyone they are in contact with, eventually it will reach those who are vulnerable.

4 things we can do collectively to help:

  1. reduce individual risk - hands, face, space, masks
  2. isolate virus - by self-isolation and contact tracing. Travel from high risk areas - self isolate.
  3. most difficult - break unnecessary links between households. Reduce social contacts.
  4. Science - drugs, vaccines

Valance - we'll be living with this virus for some time.

One part is vaccines. Good progress being made. Several vaccines are in v late stage clinical testing. UK has access to a range of different vaccines and is in a good position for supply. We don't yet know if they will work, may be small amounts by end of this year
May see larger amounts in first half of next year.

In the meantime must get in control of this virus.

OP posts:
soloula · 21/09/2020 12:02

No mention of T-cell immunity which is supposed to be much higher.

And 6 months can't be right. Respiratory viruses are still round then. That takes us to March. Which was when this all kicked off in the first place.

Very much watch this space now as we know the measures in place aren't working (or aren't being followed for whatever reason - complacency, apathy, too many rules, too many anomalies and so on).

Delatron · 21/09/2020 12:04

Well yes lots of new studies coming out saying how important t-cell immunity is versus antibodies. I would have liked them to have covered that but maybe they need to stick to basics and set the mood. I.e more restrictions to come.

phatsandsmall · 21/09/2020 12:04

@PurpleDaisies

Whitty.

His name is spelt Whitty.

The most important part of the post.. thank you so much for verifying
hamstersarse · 21/09/2020 12:04

The graph of the 'doubling infection' rate that they showed was an absolute disgrace.

They said "this is not a prediction" twice, so if it is not a prediction, what is the purpose of it? It can only be to put the fear of God into people.

I feel Ferguson has had his crayons out again.

There is no evidence from anywhere that those sort of 'predictions' are in any way valid. And that includes from our own data.

And anyway, 200 people dying a day is NORMAL. Over 450 die a day from cancer. Over 200 a day in flu season.

This madness has to stop

phatsandsmall · 21/09/2020 12:06

Thank you OP for taking time to do this.. shame you invalidated the whole lot of information by spelling chris whittys name wrong mind Grin

Jrobhatch29 · 21/09/2020 12:06

@Delatron

Well yes lots of new studies coming out saying how important t-cell immunity is versus antibodies. I would have liked them to have covered that but maybe they need to stick to basics and set the mood. I.e more restrictions to come.
Agreed. He muttered something about "other parts of the immune system" but that was it.
hamstersarse · 21/09/2020 12:08

There is absolutely no justification for a second lockdown.

They cannot keep ruling like this. They need evidence to impose such drastic restrictions. And if that laughable graph is classed as the evidence, I despair.

Roussette · 21/09/2020 12:11

Just curious hamster...
Do you know anyone who has either died from covid or who has had it badly?

areyoubeingserviced · 21/09/2020 12:13

Excellent summary Op
Thanks

Jrobhatch29 · 21/09/2020 12:14

@Roussette

Just curious hamster... Do you know anyone who has either died from covid or who has had it badly?
I'm sorry but how long we going to keep using this as a response to anyone questioning a second lockdown? Covid is awful, we all know that, but it is not the only issue to consider.
soloula · 21/09/2020 12:14

I know two people who died. A guy in his late 70s and a girl in her early 40s. Know a few people who have had it too. A relative had it recently. It went into pleurisy and then he was hospitalised with two blood clots. Im in Lanarkshire.

Saying that, I don't think the measures are proportionate and the scientific evidence was so questionable today.

Haffiana · 21/09/2020 12:16

And anyway, 200 people dying a day is NORMAL. Over 450 die a day from cancer. Over 200 a day in flu season.

Amazing. Are you actually unable to understand that this is an extra 200 people dying on TOP of the 'normal' cancer and flu deaths?

phatsandsmall · 21/09/2020 12:17

@Haffiana

And anyway, 200 people dying a day is NORMAL. Over 450 die a day from cancer. Over 200 a day in flu season.

Amazing. Are you actually unable to understand that this is an extra 200 people dying on TOP of the 'normal' cancer and flu deaths?

I will be sure to try not catch cancer off people on the bus to work or in the supermarket. Hmm
Bulblasagne · 21/09/2020 12:17

so when is BJ coming on then? I am no clearer as to what restrictions are?

giletrouge · 21/09/2020 12:18

@soloula you say the scientific evidence was 'so questionable'.
Are you going to explain in what way precisely?

hamstersarse · 21/09/2020 12:19

@Roussette

Just curious hamster... Do you know anyone who has either died from covid or who has had it badly?
Just curious?

Oh are you? I don't think that is why you are asking is it?

But to answer your question, NO, I don't. As most people don't.

But I definitely do know about death - suicide, cancer, flu (!) and pneumonia. No death is nice or peaceful, it is brutal.

The average age of death in the UK from Covid is 82. That is beyond the average age of all mortality (79) and you really need to get a grip on your hysteria.

hamstersarse · 21/09/2020 12:19

@Haffiana

And anyway, 200 people dying a day is NORMAL. Over 450 die a day from cancer. Over 200 a day in flu season.

Amazing. Are you actually unable to understand that this is an extra 200 people dying on TOP of the 'normal' cancer and flu deaths?

Not true. Covid is killing the same people as flu kills

You can't die twice

Leakinglikeacolander · 21/09/2020 12:20

So are we now waiting for news on what measures will be out in place to deal with the new predictions then?

ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 12:21

@Bulblasagne they were setting the tone. Make people realise that we all need to take some responsibility, science can do their bit, hopefully the Government can do theirs and we need to do our bit, otherwise there could be serious consequences. I assume Boris will be talking to us at some point

oldmum22 · 21/09/2020 12:22

Thank you so much for this , exactly what I needed as I missed the original broadcast .

Stinkyguineapig · 21/09/2020 12:24

It's pretty sobering and thinking about the 6 months of this ahead, while I guess expected still feels pretty depressing when they say it aloud.

I heard them say this is not a prediction, this is what could happen.
Then the presenter on 5 live immediately said "50000 cases a day, I think that will be the headlines in the next 24 hours" ignoring that that was a scenario not what is going to happen.....

Roussette · 21/09/2020 12:24

Oh are you? I don't think that is why you are asking is it?

What do you mean, why am I asking then...

It's just that I have a friend who downplays every bit of covid and doesn't know anyone who has suffered.
Whereas I have and don't downplay it.

Could you point out 'my hysteria' please. Is asking one simple question for a person first time on a covid thread hysteria? Rude.

I've not been on these threads before, probably won't bother again if you can't ask an honest question.

Timeforanotherusername · 21/09/2020 12:24

hamster it clearly isn't killing the same people as flu is killing and people like you are dangerous.

7000 people a year die from flu. A few year ago.we had a bad year and it was around 20000.

How many died so far from Covid.

I don't want a lockdown and I think it is perhaps too early for one at the moment, but i also want the idiots to stop spouting this kind of shit. Its dangerous and it's killing people.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/09/2020 12:25

@PurpleDaisies

Whitty.

His name is spelt Whitty.

Haven't you got some gifthorses' mouths to be inspecting?
dollypartonscoat · 21/09/2020 12:27

You've missed the main point I took from it. The point that you could see Chris Whitty was trying to impress with both his speech and body language.

That if we don't change path, do something different, we will be in a mess by November.

This is the prep for a government announcement that local lockdowns aren't effective