What does everyone think the announcement will be tomorrow?

[CathyandHeathcliff]

I think it’ll be:

No mixing of households across the country, not just the North
Curfews on pubs
Using public transport for necessary journeys only

@wanderings

As I predicted: not a word about the disparity between rising "cases" and rising deaths. Those scientists are saying what Saint Boris and his cronies have TOLD them to say, just like the WHO was TOLD to say "masks are good". "50,000 cases a day by mid-October": what a nice round figure, all those noughts on the end, what a coincidence. Are the magic muzzles not working after all then, if cases are rising so quickly? Probably rounded to one significant figure from 45,000.

The fucking agenda is clear.

The fact that people still die in car accidents doesn't mean that seatbelts don't work.

The fact that planes still crash doesn't mean that aircraft warning systems do not work.

Very few preventative measures of any type are 100% effective. You have to be extremely dim not to understand that.

@Helenj1977

I don't think they'll do anything major soon. The rule of 6 only came in last week.

When hospital admissions go dangerously up they'll take action. The Nightingales are all moth balled ready to go so they're expecting it.

He needs to keep the economy and schools going. We're only in September, we can't lockdown until March /April.

Maybe they'll re shield the vunerable and over 70s or 65s first??

Nope, new measures definitely coming in very soon. They directly said we have to change course (from the current situation) to prevent the virus taking off further. They couldn't be making that any more clear. Even the dozy bbc news is speculating about what the new measures will be.

They won't shut schools, no. But they'll limit household interaction further and curfew/close pubs. Possibly halt wedding receptions/funeral gatherings too.

It will be another 3 line slogan
To replace the current slogan that has been in place since July:
Leave home. Forget the NHS. Save Pret

Last- Orders- 10pm
Could be the new slogan?

Can anyone explain the thinking behind pubs being open but closing early? Does the virus sit around doing feck all until 11pm and then think, right, time to infect people now? /jk, but if someone can tell em the point I'd be grateful.

^tell me the point

I doubt johnson knows. Hes probably waiting to see the reaction in MSM and on Soc Meds.

@unmarkedbythat

Can anyone explain the thinking behind pubs being open but closing early? Does the virus sit around doing feck all until 11pm and then think, right, time to infect people now? /jk, but if someone can tell em the point I'd be grateful.

Exactly, all day benders will be the order of the day, shifting close time does eff all

As a pp said, the Covid deniers will not listen, they will bend the rules, they do not care. The option of breaking the rules will be taken away, the pubs will be closed, by stealth initially, but close they will.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54237289

Unmarkedbythat I agree.

If it's not OK to do something at one time on one day then it isn't OK to do at any time any day, surely? Maybe this is a very clever little virus?

I think Sturgeon is doing OK, and I would rather be living in Scotland right now. TBH, I'd quite like her to take over from Boris for the duration; she's much clearer, much more effective, and is making stronger decisions.

I'm not Scottish, I live in Devon, I'd hate Scotland to become independent - I'd really miss them and I want them to stay. But I'd still rather have Nicola in charge here .....

Somebody please explain to me the point of a pub curfew?
Surely sitting close to others talking animatedly is high-risk behaviour?
Why not just close the pubs and leave the restaurants where at least distance is usually greater and alcohol consumption?

*wanderings

As I predicted: not a word about the disparity between rising "cases" and rising deaths. Those scientists are saying what Saint Boris and his cronies have TOLD them to say, just like the WHO was TOLD to say "masks are good". "50,000 cases a day by mid-October": what a nice round figure, all those noughts on the end, what a coincidence. Are the magic muzzles not working after all then, if cases are rising so quickly? Probably rounded to one significant figure from 45,000.

The fucking agenda is clear.*

I don't know what the agenda you're referring to is?

There are many reasons for a disparity in cases and deaths this time.

1. Vulnerable people are probably still using highly protective behaviours.
2. Hospitals and care homes are using protective measures better.
3. Some of the vulnerable already sadly dead.
4. The people catching the virus more likely to be younger, healthier [pub-goers] and thus less acute cases.

Anyone who used the terms "muzzles" in relation to masks need to grow up, get off dubious websitrs and get their head out of the conspiracy bottom

@wanderings

Look at the number of patients admitted to hospital and the number of patients currently on mechanical ventilation (in England with Covid) coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare:

1141 patients in hospital in England yesterday (20/9/20) with Covid. Compared with 661 a week earlier (13/9/20) and 464 two weeks earlier (6/9/20).

142 patients on mechanical ventilation in England yesterday (20/9/20) with Covid. Compared with 74 a week earlier (13/9/20) and 52 two weeks earlier (6/9/20).

The numbers are not big but the rate of change is. The death rate lags behind hospital admissions and ventilation by 2-3 weeks.

@Twillow

Somebody please explain to me the point of a pub curfew? Surely sitting close to others talking animatedly is high-risk behaviour? Why not just close the pubs and leave the restaurants where at least distance is usually greater and alcohol consumption?

I agree with this, it'll kill the pub culture but let's face it, that's been hanging by a thread for years now - it's much less risky and controlled to go to a restaurant than a pub

@Twillow

Somebody please explain to me the point of a pub curfew? Surely sitting close to others talking animatedly is high-risk behaviour? Why not just close the pubs and leave the restaurants where at least distance is usually greater and alcohol consumption?

I am not convinced that many restaurants are any better than pubs from personal experiences they have got busier and certainly more relaxed about the rules of late. Especially in winter as there is less likelihood of eating outside or having good ventilation with doors and windows open they will pack as many inside as possible.

@Jux it's true that Nicola Sturgeon is a better communicator than Boris, but what's happening in Scotland is not that different.

She went ahead and allowed gyms to open early when cases had already started rising and from my point of view (appreciate it may not be everyone's) unfettered air time has led to a general pushing of Scottish independence policies.

What about people who work in pubs ? No furlough now

@Twillow

*wanderings

As I predicted: not a word about the disparity between rising "cases" and rising deaths. Those scientists are saying what Saint Boris and his cronies have TOLD them to say, just like the WHO was TOLD to say "masks are good". "50,000 cases a day by mid-October": what a nice round figure, all those noughts on the end, what a coincidence. Are the magic muzzles not working after all then, if cases are rising so quickly? Probably rounded to one significant figure from 45,000.

The fucking agenda is clear.*

I don't know what the agenda you're referring to is?

There are many reasons for a disparity in cases and deaths this time.

1. Vulnerable people are probably still using highly protective behaviours.
2. Hospitals and care homes are using protective measures better.
3. Some of the vulnerable already sadly dead.
4. The people catching the virus more likely to be younger, healthier [pub-goers] and thus less acute cases.

Spot on here @Twillow. It astonishes me that there are so many unintelligent people who simply can't see the bleeding obvious.

@wanderings the agenda isn't clear to me, though. I don't get it. Who do you believe the current situation benefits? Who are the great conspirators? Are governments working together on this?

Do you not believe the virus exists? Or do you not believe it kills? What is the actual, real situation as far as you're concerned?

Because I get finding all this hard, I get being cross and frustrated and afraid and miserable, I get disagreeing with specific government actions (or inaction) and advice, I get interpreting data differently, all that. But I do not get the belief that this is all some grand conspiracy, because, frankly, Cui bono?

wanderings do you think we should all wear tinfoil hats? Are vaccinations a tool to microchip us? Is 5G dangerous and creating a way in for the Chinese Government to control our thoughts or to just kill us? Or is it all the Russians?

I said "BLM and the other numpties," so did not just mention BLM. The other numpties includes EXtinction Rebellion and the anti maskers out the other day.

The actual, real situation as far as I am concerned is that the government are working on the principle "we have to paint this as far worse than it really is, so that people are scared enough to take notice". Yes, classic negotiation: ask for more than you hope to get. They know that a certain proportion won't believe them, so they go all out to terrify beyond belief those who do. Yes, I believe the virus exists and it can kill. But it is so painfully obvious that the government is lying, exaggerating, making everything up as they go along, that how can we take what they say seriously? They've as good as admitted they exaggerated the Covid death figures the first time round, by "adjusting" the way they were recorded. How do we know they're not simply making up these latest figures? We can't believe it even if it comes from outside the government: it's well-known that the government twists everything so we see what they want us to see. They employ spin doctors for a reason.

Whether or not they think lockdown was a good idea, I do believe that governments all over the world, even the supposedly well-intentioned ones have seized this opportunity to test just how much they can micromanage and control their citizens, and how willingly people will accept highly restrictive measures; and I suspect that up-and-coming world leaders (especially the power-hungry ones) are watching with great interest. I am very concerned that in our case (and many other countries as well), it has been noted that the public are extremely docile and easy to manipulate with scaremongering, and willing to snitch on each other; and I think this has very serious implications in years to come, which I believe are much more serious than any virus, which is why I think we should be showing that we are not prepared to blindly believe everything they say. At the moment the public is distracted by the Big Scary Virus That Is Coming To Kill Us, so they're not noticing the quiet manipulation we are undergoing, which may have far-reaching long-term consequences. I think we need to be as vigilant about this as some of us are about anti-virus measures.

If the government actually admitted they didn't know certain things, or that they got things wrong, such as Eat Out to Help Out, I'd have more respect for them. But they have a habit of saying, with certainty: "there is nothing to worry about from the virus", then later, with equal certainty: "we must decimate the economy and many of your jobs to beat this virus". See also, with certainty "masks are useless", then with equal conviction: "masks are mandatory". How about admitting they don't know? I'd believe them more if they said that, rather than pretending they do.

And I have no shame at all in saying these things; throw the insults my way if you like, I'll just tick them on my bingo card (nearly a full house!). Meanwhile I will keep my eyes very firmly on the government, while they practise their mind games on us.