Have state school teachers faced redundancy for not working during lockdown?

[notevenat20]

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I think those of us who work in the private sector understand we are going to have to work during periods of self isolation whilst juggling family. It was the same during lockdown. We want to keep our jobs so we will have to provide the service.

This got me wondering, is this a pressure state school teachers feel too?

Certainly at DC’s school no educational provision was given for almost all of lockdown (there were 6 key worker children in the school, out of 420).

Another tiresome thread.
Has the OP acknowledged her mis-use/misunderstanding of the word 'redundant' yet?

Maybe that’s because we are trained professionals who work very hard for your children and yet are being consistently addressed in a rude and patronising manner by keyboard warriors.

In July, I saw a parent on a local Facebook site complaining bitterly about the lack of work set for her year 7, tearing the school apart for not providing everything. The comment underneath said something like “really? Our Finlay got loads. Did you check the app?” to which the original parent said “what app?”. Anyway, turned out all year 7 had been thoroughly briefed on how to use SMH or similar, but this child had not passed on any messages to their parent and so hadn’t accessed any of the three months worth of work that had been diligently set. I’m sure that’s far from the only example of such a thing happening...

So sick of the teacher bashing from the usual suspects. Very bitter women. One wonders what's wrong in their lives to make them so full of hate and the desire to depress an already depressed group of people doing their best.

It's a bit sick, actually. But obvious to those who follow these threads.

Well that’s quite an immature response.
It’s much easier to diffuse- I do get that is wearing. Honestly it just feeds people.

In reply to @motherrunner of course it fab that some schools/teachers provided that level of education. It makes our school look even worse !

Pom

I probs do get defensive - because there is a bear constant onslaught of posters explaining how I am not doing my job properly/how teaching should be done.

Then when I explain why that might not work/why I do it the way I do it the response is inevitably don’t be negative/you’re wrong/you’re lying/you’re being patronising/you’re a know it all/you really should do it X way.

Everyone has an opinion about teaching - but there’s little recognition that it’s actually a pretty complex process.

there’s a core group of teachers that pretty much come on the thread and reply in a defensive, dismissive and sometimes rude/patronising manner

There's a core group of teacher bashers too. Name changing all the time to seem as if there are more of them. Their style is obvious however. It's tedious. MN apparently think it's worthy of a debate though, because repeated threads on the same issues stay up. So you know. Suck up the response from teachers, MN wants it all here.

*near constant

And yet again notevenat20 has proved my point as they have ignored my post about the excellent state school provision my school provides and my own children received

It's the opposite of that. I explicitly spelled out that many state schools are great (not that that needs saying).

@SmileEachDay I wouldn’t have a foggiest as I’m sure you wouldn’t about my job. I wouldn’t claim too.

I’m still disappointed with a school I previously liked, that’s my experience, doesn’t mean I’m bashing.
As mentioned up thread, when a teacher replied to me on another thread and said it wasn’t good enough, it really helped me feel that some teachers were trying really hard. Whereas the ‘speak to the government/ curriculum was stopped etc’ show a complete lack of insight/empathy.

You would be made redundant if your job was no longer needed. You would be sacked if you were performing it inadequately. It wouldn’t be legal to make a teacher (good or bad) redundant and then directly replace them.
I’m a sixth form teacher and when we went into lockdown our arrangements were made so hastily that I’m not surprised people then did variable amounts. The latter certainly was the case though, to be fair.

So sick of the teacher bashing from the usual suspects. Very bitter women. One wonders what's wrong in their lives to make them so full of hate and the desire to depress an already depressed group of people doing their best.

Hate is never good and I certainly have no hate for anyone.

But really you don't have to wonder too hard in the current climate. There are a large number of women whose work lives have been ruined by schools being shut. So we start off in a bad mood. Then some of us see their school offering nothing in way of support or education for months. And then in my case I see the teachers who apparently are too busy to do any teaching lolling about in the local park in the day and boasting about their extended family bike rides.

You can see why it doesn't look good.

You would be made redundant if your job was no longer needed. You would be sacked if you were performing it inadequately

Yes I definitely got my employment law vocab wrong.

I don't think you can do redundancy in our LA, permanent staff usually get redeployed when there isn't a job for them.

I do know of staff whose temp contracts were not renewed and their job was advertised and when they reapplied were not successful in their interview.

OP don’t you understand two things- 1. Even during lockdown, teachers were still entitled to morning and lunch breaks 2. Wouldn’t your employer be interested to know that when you should be working, you are ‘lolling about in the local park’ spying on teachers (let’s not get in to the fact it’s odd you recognise so many of them).

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When mean kids say mean stuff to nice kids we tell the nice kids to ignore them. Block them from their devices. Walk away. Ignore the mean kids and they’ll eventually get bored. I wonder if the same could apply? These posters are just mean kids.

@Pomegranatepompom

Not on the threads I have seen *@Piggywaspushed* there’s a core group of teachers that pretty much come on the thread and reply in a defensive, dismissive and sometimes rude/patronising manner.

Teachers are going to respond robustly to unjustified criticism. Don't dish out the generalised vitriol if the response upsets you. This OP refers to teachers in general and not a specific experience.

if you had a bad experience with your children’s’ school not providing work during lockdown you should have complained to the Head, Senior Leadership, the governors or the Local Education Authority. You issue would then have been addressed.

This is just not true and reflects the viewpoint of management in all walks of life.

If you write to the school you get a bland form reply. If you speak to them you learn that they view parents as continuous complainers who they need to be protected from. If you write to the chair of governors you learn she has been best friends with the head for decades and won't hear a word of criticism. If you write to the council you learn that they have passed all responsibility to the governors.

That is the real world.

@SaltyAndFresh I haven’t dished out any vitriol or made any generalisations. I’m always very careful to say that I know provision was excellent in some schools.
I’m not at all upset, I do disagree with some of what you say though.

There are some teachers who reply so helpfully on school threads.

Pomegranatepompom
It’s much easier to diffuse- I do get that is wearing. Honestly it just feeds people.

This has been going on since March 20th. with apparent backing from MNHQ.
At the start of this it was all nice responses and concerned nods of the head. moving to the fields of daffs for those that were clearly goady and left to stand (they complained that it upset their feelz)

But this has been going on for 6 months with posters changing names and goading further.

So various teachers have decided to fight fire with fire.

And just FYI the posters always bring up their victimhood as well or faux concern for others.

@notevenat20

if you had a bad experience with your children’s’ school not providing work during lockdown you should have complained to the Head, Senior Leadership, the governors or the Local Education Authority. You issue would then have been addressed.

This is just not true and reflects the viewpoint of management in all walks of life.

If you write to the school you get a bland form reply. If you speak to them you learn that they view parents as continuous complainers who they need to be protected from. If you write to the chair of governors you learn she has been best friends with the head for decades and won't hear a word of criticism. If you write to the council you learn that they have passed all responsibility to the governors.

That is the real world.

So your solution to all of that is to sack teachers?

Are you basing this on your real, factual experience of complaining to all of those people during lockdown? Or on your own preconceived notions? It’s interesting that your vile opinion about teachers correlates with your opinion on management in ‘all walks of life’. It starting to sound like you have a tiny bit of a chip on your shoulder.

Pomegranatepompom

Just a thought but

Don't you think that it is a good thing that teachers get defensive?

It shows that they care about what they do and that they are invested in the children, parents and education.

If anyone is shit at their job then yes they should be disciplined, line managed etc. This has been said many times now. But I think you’re missing half the issues, that keep being explained to you.

I'm a part time teacher. I work 3 days a week. I worked 5 days a week during lockdown. However I also had a preschooler and young primary aged child at home too.

My dp is also a key worker and worked every day including weekends and through holidays.

I worked in the mornings when the children could be palmed off with tv and then in the afternoon I went on bike rides and tried to homeschool my eldest.

As soon as my dp came home at 4 I'd rush upstairs to carry on working for hours.

If you'd have seen me out and about you'd think I wasn't working when nothing could be further from the truth.