Shocked at people blatantly ignoring rule of 6!

[chestergirl39]

I knew it would happen, but it has still shocked me, especially the types of people who are doing it! (Eg not always younger ones). Someone at work, who has only just returned from shielding has flouted it 3 times already. She has bad chest and heart problems, so I’d have thought she’d be more careful. It’s hard not to feel cross about it, especially when you’re keeping to the rules yourself, mainly to protect people like them!

@HesterShaw1

If I never hear the word "selfish" again it'll be too soon.

This government needs more of a strategy to deal with Covid than encouraging the population to accuse those who just want a bit of a life (which after all is short) of "selfishness".

Still: divide and rule, eh?

Too right. It's so tired and trite and doesn't work. So 'selfish', as if that's going to change anyone's behaviour. The comparisons to other countries - usually New Zealand or Australia - usually go along with such words. We don't live in NZ or Aus. Think they handle things better, go and move to one of them then.

Yeah. Melbourne are handling things SO well aren't they? Off they pop to Melbourne if they want to be forcibly held by police officers while a mask is put onto their face while they have a medical exemption.

@HesterShaw1

Yeah. Melbourne are handling things SO well aren't they? Off they pop to Melbourne if they want to be forcibly held by police officers while a mask is put onto their face while they have a medical exemption.

Neither extremes are ideal though are they? Selfish public or dystopian authority.

If only people could be relied on to use common sense and show some regard for their fellow man and woman.

So, those of you who aren’t going to follow the rules, either because you think they don’t make sense, or because you think you’re exempt or have a special reason not to, or you don’t like being told what to do, or you don’t like the government, or you have to mix with loads of people at work or school so can’t see the point etc etc... What would you suggest instead that could be done NOW to stop the spread? I’m presuming you don’t want another lockdown? And for those who mix with lots of others at work/school, aren’t you worried about passing it on to others, especially your vulnerable family members?

I'm not surprised people are fed up with these rules that make no sense at all!!!

And for those who mix with lots of others at work/school, aren’t you worried about passing it on to others, especially your vulnerable family members?

So what do you suggest they do? Quit their jobs and become homeless?

Not sure why it would be shocking. People are done with being told to base your actions on the impact they have on the world and its mother. Humans are generally not good at being selfless.

Also, this thing of 'only young people are breaking the rules' its PR bullshit. Everyone around me has followed rules, except for my PILs who are in their 60s, and my neighbours who are in their 80s. The 'young' people I see are encouraging compliance while also being the ones taking the risks by going to work on buses every day.

If only people could be relied on to use common sense and show some regard for their fellow man and woman.

I agree. But in order to do that, people need to feel they are trusted by their government to make decisions for the good of everyone. In this country that trust has completely gone, and they treat us and speak to us like school children who are being punished collectively for the misdemeanours of a few. So people don't "behave" - they think "fuck it". Especially when they see the likes of Cummings getting away breaking the rules he formulated.

@cologne4711

Yet it’s okay to sit in a class of 30 or go to work in an office with a hundred people

And it should also not be difficult to understand that when you are seeking to strike a balance between competing priorities, education and keeping the economy going outweighs parties of over 6 people.

Going to school is important. Working is important (though not sure you need to be in an office if you can work from home effectively and I disagree with the government on that). Having a party is not and you can still socialise with up to 5 people.

This. It’s soooo frustrating people bleating on about kids together in schools so why can’t they meet more than 6 people. School and work are a different kettle of fish.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

And for those who mix with lots of others at work/school, aren’t you worried about passing it on to others, especially your vulnerable family members?

So what do you suggest they do? Quit their jobs and become homeless?

I mean in the context of meeting up with people socially who are not in your household, eg grandparents. It terrifies me that I could inadvertently pass it to them. Obviously if a vulnerable person lives in a household where people are going to work/school it must be even more worrying.

"It’s soooo frustrating people bleating on about kids together in schools so why can’t they meet more than 6 people. School and work are a different kettle of fish."
I get this BUT it's a bit crap that I can't meet another parent with kids from the class after school to go to a park outside as my baby will take me over six!

I agree @notanoctopus I have a 7 month old who goes nowhere except with me. Annoying we can’t be counted as 1 (completely understand when they’re in nursery etc as they are a separate entity and therefore have their own risks) but it’s a pain isn’t it. I think it’s hard at the park as we run into friends there a lot (small community)- yesterday there were 3 families totalling 10 and we didn’t plan it but were all there. Scared to even make small talk from 2m+ away in case people thought we organised it. It’s a sad world isn’t it :(

@Napqueen1234 I think it's quite lonely for mums with babies at the moment - groups etc have been closed so only people with babies I know have other kids, whom I now can't meet outside in a safe way. It's crap.

I'll have 7 people in my garden from 2 households instead of 6 if I want to and you can report me all you like.

@Ecosse um 59k Covid deaths according to ONS, 42k by official testing... despite lockdown, how many do you consider a huge number?

The virus hasn't gone away, hasn't become less severe and appears to spread very rapidly and easily, france has more CV patients in ICU now than it did when it first went into lockdown in March.

From what we now know, CV was in europe in December (if not earlier), it took 2 or 3 months before it spread to the vulnerable and killed 10s of 1000s in europe alone.

Whether they were 8 or 80 doesn't matter.

@notanoctopus absolutely it really is. I’ve really been struggling. I didn’t mean my original post to sound harsh it just frustrates me the constant ‘if people can do this why can’t I do that’ when clearly children being in school is more important in the grand scheme than meeting friends (and I appreciate the loneliness etc does impact mental health but schooling is so important). I do think people going back to the offices when they could WFH perfectly fine is also an example of risk that isn’t necessary and isn’t beneficial to the economy etc.

I can understand everyone’s point of view and why they feel it’s pointless/unfair etc, but the fact remains, we HAVE to do something , what would you do instead?

but the fact remains, we HAVE to do something , what would you do instead?

Shield and financially support the vulnerable

No large gatherings (ie, more than about 10 people)

A curfew of 10pm on pubs and restaurants

Nightclubs closed

Part time schooling with smaller groups of pupils and PPE for teachers

Of course the selfish dont like being called out on it. You can have " a bit of a life" without depriving children of education, other people of jobs and maybe some of life.

I'll follow the rule of 6 when the government gives money to schools to do more than wash hands (and even there they don't have enough sinks or soap!).

They're doing all the taking and up to now I've been doing all the giving and I'm pissed off. I've been more than compliant for 6 months.

They are throwing kids, their families and teachers under the bus.

When they stop doing that, then I'll listen again.

If they sent schools back with risk reduction like any other country, I'd do it. Masks over age 6 like Spain. Social distancing and extra staff like Italy (using community spaces), functional test and trace and smaller class sizes like Germany.

But sending them back crammed in like sardines - creating environments where covid will spread like wildfire - and then test and trace immediately falling over (as anyone with a brain cell could see it would) so kids are off for a week while their siblings wait for a test and result but their close contacts are still in school spreading whatever disease they have.

No.

If I break the rule of 6 it will be outside with social distancing and masks. I don't believe that poses a risk to anyone. So, no.

@chestergirl39

The vast majority of people are at zero or no risk from this virus. We can see very clearly from the figures exactly who is at risk.

These individuals need to be supported and enabled to protect themselves- pay their wages and make sure things like food deliveries are provided.

We cannot have a situation where people who are at no risk are forced to stay at home and prevented from contributing to the economy.

I’m pretty fed up with people excusing others with comments like “we’re over this now” or “well they go to school in a class of 30”. Do people really not understand that this is not about cutting down on the most risky behaviour, it is about deciding what society’s priorities are and cutting back on other risky behaviour to compensate?

You may or may not believe that getting kids back to school is a priority, but that is what this government has decided is a priority. In order to keep the contagion down, they have restricted meeting up of more than 6 people outside of certain circumstances eg school, work, sport etc.

So please, forget about arguments like “well, if schools ok, then I can ....”

The arguments that May work are - I think it is more important to get together with 8 others than it is for children to go to school. Or, I think it is more important for me as “I want 7 people in my garden....” if you think these arguments stack up, I’m glad the only interaction we have is on an anonymous forum.

FWIW, I think the government have got loads wrong (isn’t hindsight 20/20), but if the price of kids going back to school and businesses still being able to pay taxes is restricting groups to 6, I think it worth it.

I vote to ban the words "flouting" and "blatantly" from the English language.

Who's with me?

I am glad that lots of companies did not listen to the don't wfh anymore mantra as we'd be in a much worse situation now. I feel sad that kids are back without adequate testing in place and a high 'r' number. I think part time blended learning to start with would have made more sense than this stop/start stuff. I don't understand how testing is so screwed up when we are doing more per capita than much of Europe - are we including antigen tests in that number? I wish there was also some formal guidance on what to do if kids present with any of the more common kid symptoms, rather than the three they still tested for.

@alreadytaken

Of course the selfish dont like being called out on it. You can have " a bit of a life" without depriving children of education, other people of jobs and maybe some of life.

They don't CARE! Why do you think other people give a fuck what some random they don't even know thinks of them? 'Oooo, some random said I was selfish, I'm so bothered' said no one ever.