Shocked at people blatantly ignoring rule of 6!

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I knew it would happen, but it has still shocked me, especially the types of people who are doing it! (Eg not always younger ones). Someone at work, who has only just returned from shielding has flouted it 3 times already. She has bad chest and heart problems, so I’d have thought she’d be more careful. It’s hard not to feel cross about it, especially when you’re keeping to the rules yourself, mainly to protect people like them!

Not sure why your shocked. I took ds2 to football practice on Wednesday. They have locked most of the seats in the stand except for a bout a dozen which are right next to each other! They have never been locked until this week and why make people sit next to each other? It seems bizarre that I can sit squashed next to other people for an hour and that's legal but me dp and 3dc cant go to my parents house because that would make 7.
If there was any logic in the rules people would follow them.

@IloveJKRowling

My daughter's school managed it in the summer term - opened whole school. Used the school hall, outdoor space. If they used the village hall (freely offered) they could do so again throughout the winter with extra TAs.

How about do it where possible? That would reduce community transmission more than rule of 6.

Italy managed it. (4000 new staff, used community buildings)

In Spain everyone over 6 has to wear a mask.

US states where I have friends have half week in school learning, half week at home. They do SD and MASKS all day except lunch (at own SD desk) for everyone over 5. If my friend's child can manage it at 5, why is my 10year old daughter unable to wear a mask?

I'm betting that Italy, Spain and the US states I know of will have better education for all children, and lower coronavirus transmission.

My older daughter has been off, perfectly healthy, all week with no learning provided while her sister waits for a test. She is being denied her right to education currently and this will happen AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.

IT's worse for her mental health than lockdown.

Completely agree with this, I have said they should have been planning for the extra spaces, reduced class sizes and extra TA’s/ trained teachers etc since lockdown. They knew the distancing criteria and had months to put plans in place for September. Even half the week in school and half at home would be preferable to this. They returned safely in the summer with, as far as I know, no spike in cases. Same here with my child. Gcse year and has had to isolate for 2 weeks due to positive case in their school. Only been back a week. Devastating for dc as they have been so sensible over the summer and followed all the rules when meeting up with her friends. And agree this 2:weeks has been worse for dc than first lockdown.

@annabel85 rule of law? Didnt you realise that just this week Parliament voted to break the law? Do you expect them to behave for the next 4 years and not break the law or treaties again? Fat chance.

I agree it's been shambolic and I am very worried about lack of continuity in education for my teenage dc. I'd have preferred a blended learning model being set up and funded during the summer.

I agree that this government does not care about the people they govern. If they did, they'd have let public health and primary care run test and trace and put more money in to these instead of their friend's pockets.

@Secteylama - sorry that was a typo, it should have said I can't not I can. Still, you could just quietly go on doing that. You don't have to post about it stirring everyone else up.

Friends' pockets

People are looking at this the wrong way round.

Obviously meeting up with 7 other people is considerably less risky for me than going to work in a hospital with Covid positive patients every day.

Obviously meeting up with grandparents is far less risky for a child or a teacher than mixing in bubbles of 200 people every day.

However, it's not less risky for the people we meet is it?! If you're out working, or going to school where you potentially come into contact with high risk situations, and are at high risk of contracting Covid, why the bloody hell would you want to meet up with 5 other people and pass the risk onto them???

I'm not surprised. I don't trust the Government at all, they don't give a shit about us.

When they start following the rules I might start listening to them.

“People are looking at this the wrong way round.

Obviously meeting up with 7 other people is considerably less risky for me than going to work in a hospital with Covid positive patients every day.

Obviously meeting up with grandparents is far less risky for a child or a teacher than mixing in bubbles of 200 people every day.

However, it's not less risky for the people we meet is it?! If you're out working, or going to school where you potentially come into contact with high risk situations, and are at high risk of contracting Covid, why the bloody hell would you want to meet up with 5 other people and pass the risk onto them???“

Yes this it what I have been trying to convey, but you have described it better than me!

Aaah the MN faux-I'm absolutely shocked routine has started already.

That is something I'm not shocked about. Deal with it - or grass them up and deal with the fallout from that. It's a shittily thought out "rule" to be seen to be doing something - if I'm in a group and it suddenly ends up being seven - my giving a fuck threshold has long since been exceeded.

@fortyfifty sorry, my mistake. Didn't realise only those who echo the OP were allowed go reply. Noones allowed to give their answers why they don't agree. Ill stop trying to rile people up now 🤣

[quote secretllama]@fortyfifty sorry, my mistake. Didn't realise only those who echo the OP were allowed go reply. Noones allowed to give their answers why they don't agree. Ill stop trying to rile people up now 🤣[/quote]
I think it’s good we all have different opinions and experiences, and expressing them hopefully helps us to see the other person’s point of view. We all have different priorities and situations. So keep on riling us up as much as you like! 😜

Srcretllama I guess my post about people being influenced by others' behaviours went over your head.

Nowhere did I say or imply your ignoring of rules should be kept to yourself because it's not the same opinion as the OP has.

People are fed up of the rules because they're bloody stupid. My sister sends her daughter to school with my brother and nephew. That's no longer allowed in their area because they're mixing households despite the children going to the same secondary school and the alternative is 4 busses mixing with multiple households twice a day. Which is better and makes more sense?

It is frustrating but you only have to look at the responses on this thread to see why. People seem to be completely unable to understand that it's about reducing risk. No, being in a classroom with 29 other kids is not safer than meeting that many people outside of school for a party, but education is clearly more important. People need to sacrifice meeting up socially with so many people so that the important stuff can go ahead without big increases in cases. Same goes for childminding (how else can people work and get the economy moving), shops/restaurants (economy again) etc.

@annabel85

Criminals. It's up to the police and the authorities to enforce the law.

@Fortyfifty you said "Still, you could just quietly go on doing that. You don't have to post about it stirring everyone else up."

I was answering the OPs post about why I dont follow the rule of 6, you've questioned me on it and Ive replied. But I've not to post about it stirring everyone up? what do you want from me 🤣

I am in Italy and having a hard time trying to explain to people why my friend in NW England is in local lockdown yet her kids are in school with 500 other kids. Why we see news reports about the situation in the UK and on the streets about half the people aren't in masks. Why my cousin can't have his daughter and family round but can go to work with 80 other blokes. Why the economy is tanking yet people are still WFH and not going into cities to spend. Why people are given discounts on restaurants yet restaurants are closing. Why people on MN are happily proclaiming they're not going to follow the rules. Why people are (apparently, again according to MN) not giving their real addresses and numbers in places for tracing should there be the need. Why the govt's 300,000 tests a day is actually about 60,000. Why I went to pick up a British guest at the airport and my temperature was checked twice but she had undergone no checks whatsoever on leaving the UK and had sat on a crowded plane with nobody wearing a mask.

It's not the people. It's the rules. It's like someone is playing a sick game with the public. And you can sense the quiet and not so quiet desperation as people understandably are scared for themselves and their kids and the future.

And it fucks me off that I'm used to criticising Italy's organisation of, well, pretty much everything after all these years, yet have never felt safer or more looked after over the last 6-7 months. No, they didn't get everything right, and cases are going up here too, because rule breakers exist everywhere. But at least Italy just has about 3 fairly logical ones. With consequences of they aren't followed.

education is clearly more important

Obviously it's not, they haven't funded schools to be safe. And thousands are kids are off, bubbles closed.

My kids have already missed one of the two full weeks of school so far because of half a day's fever and an inability to get a test. So, as it is, they're not getting educated. Not even home learning.

Italy: 4,000 extra staff, using community spaces to ensure social distancing
Spain: Kids over 6 wear masks

Scientific advice: Small class sizes, social distancing, masks.

Our government: not even enough money for soap.

Hands, face, space EXCEPT in schools. It's a farce.

If my kids we're actually getting an education then maybe I'd stick to rule of 6. As it is, I'll make up my own mind.

It's actually 40,000 extra staff in Italy but they haven't recruited them all yet.

The people that will most likely be able to take advantage of six people from six different households are those without children. This group tend to be quite young and at lower risk - they are also the latest group to get "blamed" by government. If the government wanted to target the age group that have been "spreading" it, I don't understand why the six people from different households - herd immunity anyone? The two families and six max rule protects grandparents slightly more (although they of course can be out meeting others from six households). Many people would be putting themselves at more risk to actively follow rule of six e.g. have a couple over for dinner when kids are asleep = 7 in a house. Therefore, get a babysitter and go out to pub with friends instead...within rule of six, but more risk. Meet another parent with kids after school in the park...rule of six broken. Go and enrol kid in extra curricular activity inside instead - more risk but doesn't break rule of six. V lonely for young families.

My eyes roll when I read words like 'flouting' in an OP. It's almost accompanied by dramatic terms like 'shocked' 'disgusted' 'outraged'. YABU. 'The rules' are stupid and don't make sense.

Ecosse lives in fantasy land. Northwick Park declared a critical incident in March, meaning they had no beds and ambulances went elsewhere. Other hospitals would have followed rapidly but for lockdown coming it. Had sensible people not voted with their feet pre lockdown and started working from home more hospitals would have been over-run. She or he knows that, they've been told before.

It's risky to have children in school, it's risky to be at work. But children need an education and if you want to have hospitals and schools work has to happen to pay for them. But deaths are beginning to increase. If you are selfish about your social contacts then pubs or restaurants may have to shut again, with more unemployment.

*People are looking at this the wrong way round.

Obviously meeting up with 7 other people is considerably less risky for me than going to work in a hospital with Covid positive patients every day.

Obviously meeting up with grandparents is far less risky for a child or a teacher than mixing in bubbles of 200 people every day.

However, it's not less risky for the people we meet is it?! If you're out working, or going to school where you potentially come into contact with high risk situations, and are at high risk of contracting Covid, why the bloody hell would you want to meet up with 5 other people and pass the risk onto them???“*

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Listening to these posts, the majority are saying they are over it now and not following the rules, its totally shocking how selfish that is

If I never hear the word "selfish" again it'll be too soon.

This government needs more of a strategy to deal with Covid than encouraging the population to accuse those who just want a bit of a life (which after all is short) of "selfishness".

Still: divide and rule, eh?