Shocked at people blatantly ignoring rule of 6!

[chestergirl39]

I knew it would happen, but it has still shocked me, especially the types of people who are doing it! (Eg not always younger ones). Someone at work, who has only just returned from shielding has flouted it 3 times already. She has bad chest and heart problems, so I’d have thought she’d be more careful. It’s hard not to feel cross about it, especially when you’re keeping to the rules yourself, mainly to protect people like them!

Not shocking. A lawyer on Twitter couldn't work out from the new law whether 2 kids sleeping upstairs (and not going downstairs) while 5 adults are downstairs (and not going upstairs) is breaking the law.

My kids can sit shoulder to shoulder with people at school but are breaking the law if they walk to and from school as a group of 7? They won't be hosting parties or going to any that break this law but I certainly wouldn't chastise them for walking to and from school in a 7+ group.

@jasjas1973

No one is saying all over 60s have to lock themselves away. A 60 (or 70) year old with no serious health conditions is not at high risk.

We do now have data in exactly which groups are at high risk. These individuals need to be supported to stay safe- not just locking away indefinitely. Could we for example test relatives to facilitate visits- would this be a more effective use of testing capacity than testing every D.C. who gets the cold?

It makes no sense to lock people at home who are at no risk and stop them contributing to the economy.

Not remotely shocking; in this case the law is an ass. I’m done with all the nonsensical restrictions, as is everyone I know irl. Happy to be called selfish for continuing to see and support my elderly parents and for stopping to chat with friends and neighbours when I bump into them in the street. I like to think we’ll still have some kind of vaguely functioning society when this is all over, but the number of people who now seem to view others as little more than potential disease vectors makes me wonder.

I’m pro social distancing, masks etc and very much on the careful side but even I think the rule if 6 is a darned insult when we can mix with who the hell we want anywhere with a till.

I’m obeying it but I understand why some aren’t. I wouldn’t report them.

I'm a family of 6 where 4 of us are at the age of going out with friends separately. I could go out with 5 friends during the day and 5 different friends on a night every night for a week (different friends each day). DH, DD1 and DS1 could do the same. That's 280 different households that we could legally mix with each week. That's socially and not including work place for me and DH, DC's College, Schools and Nursery and the clubs they are all in. That's a lot of mixing.

However we don't do this and don't really go out socially much at all recently. DD1 does see a couple of friends but always the same ones, DS1 talks online via gaming and Me and DH have seen our parents, siblings and a couple of (the same) friends each.

Now we can literally go nowhere or have anyone visit us as a full family. Why is this fair when the pubs are open

@annabel85 it's not the people breaking this ridiculous rule leading you to another lockdown, it's this clown govt.

I’ve stuck to the rules religiously so far but I will be making an exception to this one next week when we’re finally out of isolation.

My son is having a small party and has invited 4 friends. We are a household of 4 so that takes us 2 over the limit. However the 4 friends are in his class at school where he is with them all day, for 5 days a week with no social distancing at all. Therefore I don’t see how the same friends (socially distanced from us parents) at an outdoor event will pose any more risk to them or us .

I'm meeting with my sister, her family and my dad today (8 in total). Do we care? nope. Are we selfish? to the outside world we will probably be seen as such. We are meeting to discuss my dads wishes as he has been diagnosed this week with terminal cancer, so all the judgemental curtain twitchers can fuck off. Some things are more important.

@IloveJKRowling

The government are doing what they can to keep schools, workplaces, pubs, shops open to keep the economy going, without cases getting out of hand again.

Bollocks. They were told they needed to give schools money for SD, smaller class sizes over and over again. They were told sending schools back like this was a huge gamble.

They were told they needed functioning test and trace.

I've just spent 4 days constantly refreshing the computer screen to get a test. How many have given up? DD no longer symptomatic and false negatives go up when not symptomatic so the chance it's a false negative will be much higher.

Meantime, if it WAS coronavirus her teacher, and kids she's sitting shoulder to shoulder next to and breathing all over in school are continuing to mingle in school, spreading it further.

Bollocks they're doing all they can. They've given zero money to schools to help them, zero.

While Dido Harding, incompetent to the point of farce, gets how much? How much is being made in profit from failed PPE contracts?

This.

I’m a teacher. We have so many more pupils absent than usual so far. Two of my a level students can’t come in as both are self isolating while waiting for test results (which if they haven’t arrived by now will mean the test is going to be need to be redone)

One of them was last in school last Friday. So if the test is positive the class (30 of them) have all been in a classroom with minimal ventilation close together for a week since then possibly infecting each other.

People need to admit the system is broken. Yes kids need to be back at school but they and we also need to be safe.

Getting people to stay in a 6 won’t help if you have huge untracked transmission in schools, uni’s and workplaces.

I’m meeting two friends today. We’re going to go for a hike up a mountain then have a coffee and some walnut cake.

In Scotland this is illegal.

I’m going to dress up as Honey G and embrace my previously hidden “street” side.

I'm in a bubble of over 1000 at my college. Class sizes are the same as usual, cleaning is sporadic. Staff are not provided with PPE because there is no money. I don't think it s reasonable to ask me therefore not to visit my sister and her children at the weekend so I won't be following that rule.

Is there any evidence the 6 rule will even work? It’s a bit like sayi Carbon emissions will stop when people stop flying/driving/eating meat etc. By putting the onus on individuals society stops holding leaders to account. The first lockdown was to put in place a functioning set of structures in which people can live safely and freely. Eg. T and t, extra investment in schools/hospitals to maintain distance etc. But It’s not been done. This rule seems to encourage people to blame each other not the gov’s inadequate response as cases rise. Im a bit glad people aren’t falling for it. They should put some proper mitigation measures in place, the Gov seem too lazy and slow though 🤷🏽‍♀️

I'm shocked you are shocked that people aren't doing it. It was obvious people weren't going to do it. People have had enough of all of this now.

The government are sliding from one disaster to another and have had no idea what to do from the beginning.

@Pixxie7

The new rules make no sense and are confusing is it really any wonder people aren’t following them to the letter. The government are making things up as they go because of the economy.

They do make sense, it's been explained many times. The purpose is to limit social contacts whilst prioritising work and education. Prioritising the economy benefits society. Prioritising education benefits children and parents. What is so difficult to understand about that? How much simpler does it have to be?

@mediumperiperi

Not shocking. A lawyer on Twitter couldn't work out from the new law whether 2 kids sleeping upstairs (and not going downstairs) while 5 adults are downstairs (and not going upstairs) is breaking the law.

My kids can sit shoulder to shoulder with people at school but are breaking the law if they walk to and from school as a group of 7? They won't be hosting parties or going to any that break this law but I certainly wouldn't chastise them for walking to and from school in a 7+ group.

I pointed the lawyer's stance on a few threads and people were shocked by my interpretation. The law is to stop people having drunken and/or drug fuelled parties.

If people want to meet up in larger family groups there is absolutely nothing stopping half of them saying they are a carer for a younger, older or any member with a health condition. Just no getting drunk or high.

@bigvig I sympathise I really do that sounds horrific but it is precisely because you are in this situation that you should not visit family. The idea is that we have a choice use our risk credits at work or home and the Gov has currently chosen work . So we can mix at work but not at home, because the most likely thing is that either you will give it to your family or your family will give it to you and you will spread it to your group of 1000.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

I'm meeting with my sister, her family and my dad today (8 in total). Do we care? nope. Are we selfish? to the outside world we will probably be seen as such. We are meeting to discuss my dads wishes as he has been diagnosed this week with terminal cancer, so all the judgemental curtain twitchers can fuck off. Some things are more important.

You are caring for someone's needs so exempt.

During last lockdown a few people I know ended up becoming carers for people to avoid them interacting with outside carers who went to multiple homes.

According to strangers who didn't know the arrangements they put in place these family and friend carers seemed to be breaching lockdown.

Which lawyer @RedRumTheHorse? Was it Adam Wagner?

The virus doesn't give a rat's arse how "sick of it" we all are, so it's a pretty pointless thing to say.

"It" as in restrictions.

@Ecosse The numbers involved who are at risk is huge, not just the elderly but also anyone with manageable health issues that i mentioned earlier.
We need mass testing and tracing or we will indeed infect these people.... no test is wasted as it gives us a clearer picture of infection across the country and identifies hotspots in time to dal with them.

That the govt apparently didn't anticipate the surge in testing requirement is sadly remarkable but indicative of what this Govt has done from the very start.

But no surprise, govt ministers/relatives will get theirs v quickly (as they have in the past)

The virus also doesn't give a tiny shit whether there are 7 people present or 6, or whether there's a card reader in the vicinity, but here we all are.

Out of interest, what is it that people desperately need to do that means they can't/won't follow the rule of 6?

I can totally see the issue if you have a family of 5+ and want to see grandparents. In that situation, I agree with flouting the rule - although still think those with children should be visiting with older people cautiously.

Yes, it's an arbitrary number but if it has the impact of breaking chains of contact, then it's better to go along with it. A national lockdown in the middle of winter would be far more devastating for all, than you not being able to meet your mum friends with kids in the park after school,.

Totally agree with the PP who finds how quickly this shower of shite government have turned neighbours and friends into Orwellian nightmares, snitching on their nearest and dearest for daring to put a foot wrong. If you're one of these people, no one likes you. At all.

@OpenlyGayExOlympicFencer

Which lawyer *@RedRumTheHorse*? Was it Adam Wagner?

Don't know the lawyer but I listen to a lot of talk radio and they go through the Westminster government's rule changes in England with a fine tooth comb.

Oddly they don't take the dissolved governments rules apart so much as the dissolved governments tend to ensure there are no obvious loopholes.

Anyway people care and support needs come before these rules - though you need to minimise one to one contact where you can. The exception to care and support of others is childcare. One of the public health officers in the NE wanted to make childcare exempt like other care and support of people but was ignored.