A second lockdown - is it coming?

[Mamawell]

I very, very naively posted on here back in March saying a lockdown wasn't happening blah, blah...

Oh how wrong I was. Mumsnet was all over it.

What's your thoughts this time future predictors?

YABU - No Second Lockdown
YANBU - SECOND lockdown is aaaa' coming

Nothing would really surprise me and I don't believe or trust a word that any members of the government say.

If there is a second lockdown I must say that I feel much less inclined to be totally compliant this time.

If any government ever again ever tells me that I cannot visit my elderly and very vulnerable parents I shall disregard that. I live about a three hour drive away from them. They are in their eighties, not particularly mobile and with mounting serious health conditions which got much worse over the first lockdown when I followed the guidelines and didn't visit them.

They do sometimes need support from us and I recently returned from a fortnight spent looking after them. They seriously needed it.

If I ever need to go again then I will, regardless of any lockdown rules. The first lockdown taught me that the danger of them not making it through for me to ever see them again are absolutely real. I simply won't take that risk again no matter who says what.

No I think we will have restrictions and local Lockdowns but another national one for months would bankrupt the country.
Personally, I think the Whitty suggested 2 week full, total closure would be the better bet. Tell everyone to get what they need and then shut it down. No school, no shops, no nothing, and only be out if it's an utter emergency.
Yes, it would suck, especially for people in flats. But two weeks is better than the alternative and would be a doddle after months of it. It's personally what i feel should've happened in March. If people have nowhere to go and no reason to go out, and huge actual worthwhile fines of £5,000 for being caught outdoors without a reason, it would do a bloody good job of stopping the spread.

I think because he has said "there won't be a national lockdown", he'll hold off as long as possible. We'll get to the point it's spiralling worse than last time, and then he'll put something out to blame someone else-either that he's being forced by a group/scientists or that the general public is forcing him to do it by not complying.

Alternatively we will have local lockdowns-everywhere, so he can say "see I told you no more national ones" while basically having one.

If any government ever again ever tells me that I cannot visit my elderly and very vulnerable parents I shall disregard that.

Absolutely this!!

This government has never had control of this and are just limping from one disaster to another. Elect a clown and you end up with the circus we now have.

If they had half a brain, they wouldn't have put that useless article in charge of testing and Hancock would have been removed as he has shown himself to be completely incompetent.

The government will not be stopping me seeing my family ever again either.

I agree Hancock should have been removed months ago.

Yes. The week before, and the week of October half term.

Didn’t Witty say, before schools opened, that reopening schools would inevitably raise R and that we probably couldn’t have both pubs and schools open? So why are pubs still open?

Nonational lock down. Why should areas following the rules and with low cases be locked down? BoJo needs to sort out problem areas in England, and leave us alone.

No national lockdown.

Shitloads of local lockdowns and varying restrictions.

Possibly tighter restrictions than we have now or some things like pubs closed.

Yes it’s coming. They'll announce a 2 week one and then keep extending it as needed.

@PicsInRed

For what reasons would you not do it?

What sort of things would you do that went against the restrictions?

Just curious...

I think we will have another lockdown. Look at the testing fiasco & track and trace.

Aren't the half terms (even just in England) vastly different though?

I don't think there will be a National one unless things get as bad as they were in April. - too much loss of face. But lots of 'local' ones that end up covering 95% of England.

@Strawberrypancakes

But you're not looking at the bigger picture. Not having a lockdown/ local lockdowns etc wont prevent that while we have this virus running riot. If hospitals are overwhelmed (as they are most winters before you add in Covid) and people are ill & dying - jobs will be lost, businesses will go under, mental health will suffer.

Not licking down will make those things worse, not better.

I might bury a large parmesan cheese in the garden, like Samuel Pepys during the Great Fire of London.

I think a second lockdown will be the last resort if local lockdowns don't work. Local lockdowns aren't great for those affected and who abide by the rules, but at least some of the country is still able to manufacture, educate, have enough staff to keep work places open etc.

Maybe they'll do "local lockdowns" for all areas but not call it a national lockdown...and hope no one notices?

Well as of tomorrow morning quite a large amount of the North will be under local lockdown / restrictions.

Umm I think it depends what you call a lockdown, I fully expect more draconian measures to come, I don’t expect them to reach the level of restrictions placed on us in the spring.

My county is under lockdown from 6pm last night

@PhilCornwall1 Thanks. It is always good to hear about others who are on the same hymn sheet.

It doesn't seem all that long ago that some on here might well have accused us of being murderers.

No. There will be three square feet of wilderness, possibly on Dartmoor, which won't be in a local lockdown. So definitely no national lockdown.

@EmilyDickinson

Didn’t Witty say, before schools opened, that reopening schools would inevitably raise R and that we probably couldn’t have both pubs and schools open? So why are pubs still open?

Believe it or not, they are many people's family businesses and livelihoods, making them fairly significant contributors to the economy, both local and national.

Perhaps that is why?? 🤔🤔

YANBU but it will probably be a staggered shut down.