What is with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants.

[HeresMe]

What is it with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants , they are responsible for everything to some small mindset but they do hate them

They have been open for a couple of months but apparently to some posters they are the spread.

I'm guessing the posters don't use such places and want the staff to lose just b's ect I'm not sure.

Weddings and event are worse off than pubs etc since presumably they didn't even benefit from the EOTHO. Isn't furlough continuing until Oct/Nov at 70%? I am self-employed and won't get any further grant after the August one. I count myself lucky to have got that. But my clients were not also being simultaneously paid to use my services, or having the cost covered by the government. I am not in the hospitality industry but probably earn a quarter or third of what I earned pre-covid-19 and have received a lot less help. But what I do is less visible than a closed pub and I haven't got powerful lobby groups in Westminster to shout for me. I will have to try to diversify my work to try to restore my pre-covid income.

And people are free not to go to them. We don’t socialise much either now the kids are in school. That’s very different to a blasé “just shut the pubs they’re non essential” without any regard for the impact that would have on the people who work there and wider society.

Most people will want whatever suits their personal situation best.

To be fair, pretty much everything we do that isn't sitting at home is contributing to spreading the virus. But then we have to use our initiative and intelligence to behave in sensible ways to protect ourselves while balancing quality of life.

Yes, going to restaurants is likely to cause small outbreaks, but so is visiting a supermarket or going on public transport - and to a large extent we need to keep the economy going. The outcome of closing down restaurants again, or banning shopping, or whatever, is likely to ruin more lives in the long term than this virus will.

Those who know they are vulnerable should take great care. Those of us who are fit, young and well should do our bit to help wherever we possibly can. But life must begin to get back to normal.

@Hereinthesticks

Weddings and event are worse off than pubs etc since presumably they didn't even benefit from the EOTHO. Isn't furlough continuing until Oct/Nov at 70%? I am self-employed and won't get any further grant after the August one. I count myself lucky to have got that. But my clients were not also being simultaneously paid to use my services, or having the cost covered by the government. I am not in the hospitality industry but probably earn a quarter or third of what I earned pre-covid-19 and have received a lot less help. But what I do is less visible than a closed pub and I haven't got powerful lobby groups in Westminster to shout for me. I will have to try to diversify my work to try to restore my pre-covid income.

I, too, am self employed, and the August payment was the last I would get. However my industry has been greatly damaged, to the extent that I may have to try to find work elsewhere - thus ruining an entire decade spent building up my business. Nobody is concerned about what I do, because it's an unnecessary service when nobody has any money. Nobody cares that I've earn so little since April, nobody cares that after next month unless something changes I will be struggling to pay my mortgage.

I feel that this pandemic might have changed my personal situation in such a way that everything I've spent my working life after graduation working for has been for nothing. And it's doubtful that any job I can get will earn anything close to what I was getting before.

LindaEllen

I feel for you. We are in a similar situation in that everything we have worked for I see eroding away.

I bought a house at 18 and apart from taking some time off for children and lately to look after Dp who was diagnosed with a terminal illness we have worked to build things up
We have been through recessions where we lost virtually everything in the 90s and had then built everything up again.
Only for everything now to come tumbling down.

I now wish if I had my time again I would have gone out and had fun instead of working multiple jobs to afford a deposit on a place to buy.

I can’t see how it could have turned out worse.

For Dp at 63 he won’t get another job and we are too old to be able to build things up again.

If all these countries who went for a type of herd immunity are now seeing their infection rate falling then why don’t we give people the choice.

Those that want to can lockdown and take measures to keep themselves safe and those that want to go out and risk getting infected then that is their choice.

I think what we are seeing now is rising numbers of infections but because of masks or the age of the people getting infected we are not seeing that translating into the multiple deaths we saw at the height of lockdown.

I think some people didn’t take notice of the original lockdown which means whilst some of us took everything seriously and didn’t go out and in so doing wrecked our jobs and our income others were business as usual.

Why should we go through this again if someone couldn’t take it seriously in the first place. Why do we think they will remain indoors the next time.

If all these countries who went for a type of herd immunity are now seeing their infection rate falling then why don’t we give people the choice.

Which countries are those?

It’s the virus that has hurt businesses, not the lockdowns. Even if the UK allowed everything to open, many countries are limiting their citizens’ travelling, people are not relocating abroad, large international conferences and events are not happening. If you’re in a sector linked to any of those things, your livelihood is affected. It’s horrible but it’s due to the pandemic.

It’s the virus that has hurt businesses, not the lockdowns. Even if the UK allowed everything to open, many countries are limiting their citizens’ travelling, people are not relocating abroad, large international conferences and events are not happening. If you’re in a sector linked to any of those things, your livelihood is affected. It’s horrible but it’s due to the pandemic

But if everything was open here then more people could carry on working.

I was looking at Sweden and Brazil who have a massive upswing in cases but are now definitely coming down as opposed to Italy and Spain who had severe lockdowns that produced a large wave of infections that was brought under control by the lockdown but since lockdown has lifted the wave is starting to come up again.

Almost like there are going to be a certain amount of infections and countries will get them regardless

Death is not the only bad consequence of
COVID. I remain baffled at the people who want a new virus whose long term effects remain unknown to rip through society.

The long term effects even though we probably had Covid months ago and have recovered are going to be felt for a long time if not for the rest of our lives and our children’s lives.

Everything dd has trained to do and wanted to do since she was little and was actually making a business out of now lies in tatters.

We have locked down for nearly 4 months. If we haven’t got a handle on it by now then the effects of locking down again are going to be worse than the disease.

At some point we need to realise that a bankrupt country does no one any good.

@Oliversmumsarmy

The long term effects even though we probably had Covid months ago and have recovered are going to be felt for a long time if not for the rest of our lives and our children’s lives.

Everything dd has trained to do and wanted to do since she was little and was actually making a business out of now lies in tatters.

We have locked down for nearly 4 months. If we haven’t got a handle on it by now then the effects of locking down again are going to be worse than the disease.

At some point we need to realise that a bankrupt country does no one any good.

The trouble is more is being uncovered every day about organ damage amongst 'mild' cases.

I would rather my children's career choice was in ruins (in fact my DH is in this position) than they had heart damage that could shorten their life or impact their quality of life.

I feel a huge disconnect between what the medical community is saying and what the government is saying.

In short, avoiding covid is wise imo. In one year, two years treatment could be so much better.

I have been fretting about this since the start and this clip sums up where I am: mobile.twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1305394267712450560

RepeatSwan

In short, avoiding covid is wise imo. In one year, two years treatment could be so much better

So what do we eat in the mean time. Where do we live if we don’t have a roof over our heads.
Dp might be ill with cancer but it will be the effects of lockdown for 1-2 years that will kill him.

I would rather my children's career choice was in ruins (in fact my DH is in this position) than they had heart damage that could shorten their life or impact their quality of life

Given dd is so devastated that everything she had worked for, everything she had dreamed about doing is no longer there. That has impacted her quality of life and will be a source of regret for life.

I am presuming that RepeatSwan you have an income. Your future hasn’t been wiped out.
I am presuming that your dh is young enough to change jobs and will work again.
I am presuming that your dh has qualifications to back him up so that he can chose to do something else with a little retraining and the retraining is available

Dd has SENs. The career she had chosen was perfect in that you just needed to be naturally good at something and didn’t need GCSEs to back things up.

Yet for her the financial and mental effects of lockdown have been worse than the disease

Everyone is looking at the physical effects of Covid and saying that long term things might not be good so better to stay in for 1-2 years.

Is that what you are prepared to do even if you end up losing your job or is that advice being handed out because you still have one and have income coming in.

Would all those saying to keep in and don’t go out till this is all over. (it might never be over) be saying this if they faced a future with a £500 per month UC income.

People need to be realistic. Yes we have a Global pandemic but the financial and mental impact if the world locked down for a couple of years would end up killing and negatively effecting many more than the disease itself

I would rather my children's career choice was in ruins (in fact my DH is in this position) than they had heart damage that could shorten their life or impact their quality of life

Unhappiness, poverty, hunger, depression, anxiety, homelessness, lack of medical care are all also factors that impact quality of life and impact quality of life and all are very likely outcomes if the current situation isn't remedied. Covid isn't the only problem in the world, we can't just ignore everything else.