What is with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants.

[HeresMe]

What is it with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants , they are responsible for everything to some small mindset but they do hate them

They have been open for a couple of months but apparently to some posters they are the spread.

I'm guessing the posters don't use such places and want the staff to lose just b's ect I'm not sure.

However short visits for a meal and a glass of wine will not guarantee a patron gets Covid.

Nothing guarantees anyone will get it. Many live with someone whose got COVID and don’t get it themselves.

None of that has to do with the OP’s premise which is that MN users are somehow prejudiced against pubs and restaurants.

All trustworthy evidence points to indoor socialising without masks as being among the highest risk activities. It doesn’t take a genius to then say that places that create those conditions maybe should be more restricted.

I don't hate pubs and restaurants at all, I love them! But where I live they absolutely haven't been distancing, people were bundled in together when the offer was on with tables really close to each other. Pubs are just letting people get on with it.
I know it's not the same everywhere but yes I DO blame our pubs and restaurants for our spike and I don't think that's unreasonable.
And I'm longing to go back and enjoy myself but I won't while they aren't taking any notice of social distancing.

I think some posters live in areas where people have been off their face drunk and brawling outside pubs as well - we've had this two, with two pubs now shut down because of it. So yes, again, I do blame pubs and restaurants and I don't think that makes bitter or someone who thrives on lockdown, it's bloody depressing.

Whilst I enjoy eating out occasionally it’s not worth the risk currently and don’t imagine I would enjoy it much. It’s something we would usually do with friends but they would need a separate table 2m away which seems pointless as don’t imagine there is 2m between place settings on the same table.

@Putmynewshoeson but they are saying that a lot of cases are from people mixing in private places

@KitKatastrophe

I also think the government policy that people can sit on a table with 5 other unrelated people, obviously less than 1m apart, is really counterintuitive. They should have limited eating out to a single household/bubble.

Yeah it's clearly ridiculous.

@Putmynewshoeson

I don't hate pubs and restaurants at all, I love them! But where I live they absolutely haven't been distancing, people were bundled in together when the offer was on with tables really close to each other. Pubs are just letting people get on with it. I know it's not the same everywhere but yes I DO blame our pubs and restaurants for our spike and I don't think that's unreasonable. And I'm longing to go back and enjoy myself but I won't while they aren't taking any notice of social distancing.

I think some posters live in areas where people have been off their face drunk and brawling outside pubs as well - we've had this two, with two pubs now shut down because of it. So yes, again, I do blame pubs and restaurants and I don't think that makes bitter or someone who thrives on lockdown, it's bloody depressing.

Yup we've had the same here. Resl shame.

You do all realise your at risk as well even in the supermarket as a mask isnt fullproof and distancing has gone out the window in supermarkets round here along with the one way system
The economy needs pus /restaurants to be open they pay a large amount of taxes
Yes agree some aren't as responsible as others but thats also down to people using them as i would leave if i felt that was the case
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Also how many people complaining about pubs etc have fully stuck to the guidlelines at home
Before 6 was law it was a guideline and thats how many people should of had in the home setting , people have clearly been having more
Loafs on here were up in arms when the 6 was made law when infact we should of been doing that anyway
Anything you do at the moment is a risk whilst the virus is still about and sd , wearing masks
etc all help reduce the risk but to not eliminate it totally
To the poster who said france and germany are extending furlough this is in certain cases and you can't compare like to like
Plus as far as i know both countries have there bars and restaurants open and the staff aren't on furlough

The things that add risk are being inside, not well distanced, poorly ventilated, for an extended period of time, not wearing a mask and whether you are speaking. On all those fronts some pubs do poorly. Looking at the chart attached it’s pretty clear that supermarkets are intrinsically much lower risk than restaurants and pubs.

Personally I’ve been hitting the beer gardens during EOTHO and having lots of takeaways. Lots of pubs and restaurants have been doing a great job, but some of them have not and for every pub shut down by an underfunded council health department there’s probably another six which are just as bad.

I have been sitting in quite a few pub gardens for a meal. Every one has made huge efforts with extra hygiene and social distancing. I was shielding so my eagle eye is on these things!

I agree that there is a group (who knows how large or small) of posters who are relishing this situation. If you look back a few months there were people screaming about going for a walk, let alone more outrageous activities such as supermarket shopping. you can bet these people were working from home in secure jobs, or had secure incomes, and had no children in important years. Oh, and they all had big gardens. Sanctimonious from their privileged positions.

@IrmaFayLear

I have been sitting in quite a few pub gardens for a meal. Every one has made huge efforts with extra hygiene and social distancing. I was shielding so my eagle eye is on these things!

I agree that there is a group (who knows how large or small) of posters who are relishing this situation. If you look back a few months there were people screaming about going for a walk, let alone more outrageous activities such as supermarket shopping. you can bet these people were working from home in secure jobs, or had secure incomes, and had no children in important years. Oh, and they all had big gardens. Sanctimonious from their privileged positions.

There has been some unbearable, smug fearmongers on Mumsnet since March and Mumsnet has been far worse than the Daily Mail comments section.

They couldn’t give a shiny shite about other people’s livelihoods, mental health etc.

So long as they can WFH in their big house whilst pontificating 1930s style unemployment for everyone else they really have the “I’m alright Jack” mentality.

Absolutely the “I’m all right, Jack” thing. There were posters demanding schools not go back as formal schooling didn’t matter, apparently, as parents could do it. Yep. All those Education Acts for 150 years. Who would have thought they were all a complete waste of time ? .

Education, jobs, mental health. Nothing matters as long as they can salivate over the latest dribble they’ve read on Twitter.

Ive spent a afternoon alone socially distanced in a pub no one around me at all but let's blame them.

Not all are like this though! I've been in a couple of places (my locals) for a bar supper, once sat outside once sat inside all spaced out and it was lovely and I've no issues with that.

But I've seen photos of videos from inside pubs that don't serve food later in the evening and it's a very different picture.

You are right though that's it's wrong to just blanket say "pubs and restaurants are to blame". I'd say it's the behaviour of SOME people inside the pubs, along with the pub owner for allowing it......

I went to the pubs a few times last month and they're doing their best. I'd rather people were in pubs than house parties and raves because the pubs are on the whole following guidelines.

I won't be going to a pub again though while cases rise.

They couldn’t give a shiny shite about other people’s livelihoods, mental health etc.
So long as they can WFH in their big house whilst pontificating 1930s style unemployment for everyone else they really have the “I’m alright Jack” mentality.

Although they will still need the guy from Ocado to deliver twice weekly.

I don't know what people expected though. It was always very obvious that cases would rise once lockdown was released. That's not down to one factor, but because of the fact that once people were allowed to mix in a variety of contexts - not just dreaded pubs or cheap holidays to the costa - then obviously there would be an increase in cases. Same has happened even in those wonderful 'other countries' which MNers think are so perfect. Do they want everything other than 'essentials' (as defined by them) to be sacrificied indefinitely so that nobody gets this virus?

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Snobbery, pure and simple and virtue signalling.

This.

“Non essential” well maybe to those posters in their naice houses with “DH” earning £150k a year doing fuck all but shuffling papers and shouting on zoom to pay for the “DC”’s private schools and nanny, less so for the people who rely on pubs for their income and to keep their family’s head above water.

@FrangipaniBlue

Ive spent a afternoon alone socially distanced in a pub no one around me at all but let's blame them.

Not all are like this though! I've been in a couple of places (my locals) for a bar supper, once sat outside once sat inside all spaced out and it was lovely and I've no issues with that.

But I've seen photos of videos from inside pubs that don't serve food later in the evening and it's a very different picture.

You are right though that's it's wrong to just blanket say "pubs and restaurants are to blame". I'd say it's the behaviour of SOME people inside the pubs, along with the pub owner for allowing it......

The behaviour of the feckless in pubs isn't often the fault of pubs(at least the ones trying their best). If it wasn't pubs it would be somewhere else. More likely in homes with no restrictions at all.

Either people give a shit or they don't.

I don't think anyone is anti-pub/restaurant/bar, but many on Mumsnet (it being a site aimed at mothers) will think that education and keeping schools open is more important, so will subscribe to the Chris Whitty opinion that some things may need to close to keep schools open.
You may think CW is wrong, but many trust his expertise.

I think the government created the resentment by making pubs/bars/restaurants the first sector to open, before schools.
I also think the government spending half a billion pounds paying people to go to hospitality places didn't help when the government is currently not planning on vaccinating the whole population and currently providing only the very lowest grade of PPE to health workers, and schools are underfunded etc.

I don't think mums wanting their children to get an education can be accused of being smug or privileged. I don't think that it comes down to a societal divide either - I think it is a tranche present throughout society.

And the poster above who said that most on Mumsnet are just past the age of wanting to go out drinking is right. It is a website for mums, their priorities are different. They don't normally have much time to eat out either due to childcare and other types of activities. But I doubt they actively want people to lose their job.

Obviously the EOTHO scheme was very popular, including with families and those on this thread, so I don't think it is Mumsnet-specific.

Certainly the current thinking in Scotland is that the spread is being driven by socialising in people’s homes. Many restaurants are being really cautious as they don’t want to risk closing again.

I don't think mums wanting their children to get an education can be accused of being smug or privileged

I want mine to get an education too. Their father still needs to earn an income. It’s absolutely smug and privileged just to view pubs and restaurants as “non essential” with no consideration of the devastating impact closing them would have on the people who work there and their families. Many of whom will also want their kids to get an education too, but still need to work!

@IrmaFayLear

Absolutely the “I’m all right, Jack” thing. There were posters demanding schools not go back as formal schooling didn’t matter, apparently, as parents could do it. Yep. All those Education Acts for 150 years. Who would have thought they were all a complete waste of time ? .

Agree. And didn’t want to send their kids back to school, but didn’t want to just deregister and home school in case some lesser child got Octavius’s grammar school place and they couldn’t get him back in next year once they deemed it “safe” to go back

I don't think anyone on Mumsnet wants pubs and restaurants to close, but they just don't need to go to them with a virus about and not wanting their DC home from school if they get a virus so are just staying home as much as possible. They are not doing it out of spite. It is just people managing a pandemic as best they can.

To be clear I am not talking about medically vulnerable/shielding kids and families. They should be allowed to keep kids off without penalty or losing a space if they choose.

@Hereinthesticks

I don't think anyone on Mumsnet wants pubs and restaurants to close, but they just don't need to go to them with a virus about and not wanting their DC home from school if they get a virus so are just staying home as much as possible. They are not doing it out of spite. It is just people managing a pandemic as best they can.

It might not be spite, but it is blinkered and an inability/unwillingness to see the world outside their privileged little bubble