What is with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants.

[HeresMe]

What is it with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants , they are responsible for everything to some small mindset but they do hate them

They have been open for a couple of months but apparently to some posters they are the spread.

I'm guessing the posters don't use such places and want the staff to lose just b's ect I'm not sure.

Working class people work in pubs and restaurants so their jobs don’t count.

@ohthegoats also that os a very small snippet of cases when we ate on a couple thousand a day at the moment

@TheDragQueen that certainly seems to be the case of how some think

I just saw a report yesterday that said people who tested positive were twice as likely to have eaten in a restaurant or pub than people who tested negative. That doesn’t prove causation of course, but it’s a pretty big identifier about something different in the population of people with positive tests. It might not be restaurants. Maybe they also all tend to roller skate to disco music or like the works of John Grisham, but something is different about the population of people who choose to eat Or in public establishments and those who do not.

@Terrace58 can you link this report

www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/11/912076989/adults-with-covid-19-twice-as-likely-to-have-eaten-at-restaurants-cdc-study

News article, not the original study.

@Terrace58 is that not an american report ? If so we don't know hoe they are operating there establishments and seems to be based on a couple hundred people so hardly conclusive

I agree, it’s not conclusive. I just find it interesting and personally will take it under consideration when making choices for myself.

@Terrace58 is it also not a study undertaken in america ? So the spread here may entirely different and vary from country to country

You keep pointing out the study was done in America like it’s some sort of zinger. It’s one piece of evidence. Evidence that points to restaurants being dangerous. More evidence should be collected.

In the meantime, I will continue to support local businesses by taking advantage of the fact that more of them are offering takeaway ordering.

I agree - what difference does it make where the study was done? If there's a study showing masks are effective does it only count if it's British people wearing them?

Because going to pubs and restaurants is almost completely unnecessary during a pandemic, and I don't see why it's so difficult for people to just eat and drink at home, and to stick to small, important doses of socialising (like close family) for a while. It's a luxury that we should be able to go without for a few months or even a year: in the grand scheme of things is it really such a huge sacrifice for people to just put a pause on certain types of leisure activities for a while

Would you “pause” your salary for a year?

Because that is what you are asking people to do.

The only thing that has made the last month or so bearable is being able to go out and eat in a pub garden. Even just a cheese toastie and a cola or a plate of pasta, just something I haven’t had to prepare.

And yes it is a huge sacrifice asking people to not go out for a year.

Apart from our immediate family we have dmil who is in a nursing home and BIL who lives many miles away so we
Not everyone has extended family to pop in.

@Oliversmumsarmy

Because going to pubs and restaurants is almost completely unnecessary during a pandemic, and I don't see why it's so difficult for people to just eat and drink at home, and to stick to small, important doses of socialising (like close family) for a while. It's a luxury that we should be able to go without for a few months or even a year: in the grand scheme of things is it really such a huge sacrifice for people to just put a pause on certain types of leisure activities for a while

Would you “pause” your salary for a year?

Because that is what you are asking people to do.

The only thing that has made the last month or so bearable is being able to go out and eat in a pub garden. Even just a cheese toastie and a cola or a plate of pasta, just something I haven’t had to prepare.

And yes it is a huge sacrifice asking people to not go out for a year.

Apart from our immediate family we have dmil who is in a nursing home and BIL who lives many miles away so we
Not everyone has extended family to pop in.

I agree 100%, Oliver.

Well said Oliver.

@Terrace58 of course it makes a difference we don't know how there restaurants are operating
Do they have limits ? Tables apart , hand sanitiser stations ?
Also was a study of 300 people when thousands have it hardly conclusive

@Sourcat yes it does make a difference if they are not operating restaurants on same way
Facemasks are a little different as we all should wear them the same
Each country may have slightly different risks in different areas as they may have totally different regulations in place
And also a study of 300 people hardly very conclusive as it also didn't take everything else in to account of similarities they may have like jobs etc

I have posted a fair few times I doubt they are places of much spread. We’ve been out a fair bit and everything was very well managed.

It is fair better they are open and SD and not furloughed.

All the pubs and restaurants (apart from one in a different area) have completely adhered to SD. Staff wore masks and texting our orders in so staff don’t have to come to the table.
Sat outside in most places.

I don’t see how anyone in these pubs and restaurants could have been more safe.

@BabyLlamaZen

Because in most pubs and restaurants it's very hard to distance. And it seems like they have caused the increase in numbers.

No hate there.

So how many Pubs / restaurants have you been in recently? I assume you have been in a lot to know that most pubs and restaurants are struggling with social distancing .

I've only been in a few but they have all been set out with food space between the tables. Lots of cleaning . Staff wearing visors etc

I admit that this has been in the day time or around tea time so it's quite possible that later on in the evening they become busier

On the whole most people have done what has been asked of them, people have a right to enjoy their. Pubs and restaurants are doing their best to follow the guidelines if people decide to break the rules and risk spreading the virus you can’t blame the pubs etc.

Because there’s evidence that super spreading events take place indoors when people aren’t wearing masks.

Which is why pubs and restaurants are inherently risky and why the guidance on schools in England is going to lead to trouble quite soon as well.

Hand gel doesn’t help as much as previously believed now that we now aerosolised spread is key for this virus. So hand gel wont do anything to stop you spreading if you’re talking loudly to your mates without a mask at the pub.

I'm a supervisor of a small restaurant and nothing aggravates me more than the blame put on us and young people.
Don't get me wrong I see how it can be easily spread, but we are doing all we can and another lockdown would be the 10x worse than the first time.

A large percentage of customers I have served have been 35+, But some just honestly don't get it when I ask them to take their own knife and fork from my tray, so I'm not spending more time in contact with them setting the table - I get the look of "you what?"

Or if I ask them to pass a plate of food along so I'm not leaning over them. Everyone wants things done for them and they are not bothered in the slightest of covid when it comes to eating out. Don't even get me started on the eat out to help out weeks 😫😂

Also.. the amount of people who walk out of the loo and use the sanitiser station instead of hand washing 🙃🙃🙃🙃 defeats the purpose. Sanitiser is a quick fix if you have no access to soap. It doesnt kill all germs.

but these MN users who are pointing the blame need to remember supermarkets atm are a lot more laid back than ever. My Asda alone today had 4/5 people queuing at each til, social distancing was a bare minimum. Probably the same people who go fill up the beaches.

Sorry, needed to rant 😂

@JazzyJade

I'm in a pub/restaurant and your experience is very similar to mine. The businesses and staff have done their bit, things are different - they have to be to adhere to social distancing but at least 50% of the customers put their 'right' to enjoy themselves with no restrictions whatsoever above anything else.
I too have had the sarcastic to downright nasty comments when asking people to pass their plates over so I don't have to lean over them to collect, or a mouth full when service is slower because we have twice the amount of work to do with table service and sanitising everything constantly, having to seat people, take details, follow one way systems and social distance ourselves..... It takes longer but all you get is "Stop using covid as an excuse"
As I said the businesses and staff by and large have done their bit, it's the customers that aren't in all honesty. And as for eat out to help out........ I have never witnessed or been on the recieving end of so much abuse in 20 years of hospitality.