What is with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants.

[HeresMe]

What is it with Mumsnet and pubs and restaurants , they are responsible for everything to some small mindset but they do hate them

They have been open for a couple of months but apparently to some posters they are the spread.

I'm guessing the posters don't use such places and want the staff to lose just b's ect I'm not sure.

MadameBlobby indeed. Time and again I've read that we should all just work from home and not do non-essentials like pubs and restaurants.
Its almost like they don't see the millions of people employed in these sectors as having real jobs that keep roofs over their heads and their bills paid.
Its a massive blind spot.

And not all those who need their Dc in school will be smug or privileged, they may need their DC in school so they can get out to work themselves. So limiting their family's risk is all they can do to get by financially themselves. No-one is avoiding the hospitality sector out of spite or to cause harm.

I think the government created the resentment by making pubs/bars/restaurants the first sector to open, before schools.

It was in the Summer, the schools had holidays, didn’t they? A bit difficult to re open in that care.

@Hereinthesticks

And not all those who need their Dc in school will be smug or privileged, they may need their DC in school so they can get out to work themselves. So limiting their family's risk is all they can do to get by financially themselves. No-one is avoiding the hospitality sector out of spite or to cause harm.

And people are free not to go to them. We don’t socialise much either now the kids are in school. That’s very different to a blasé “just shut the pubs they’re non essential” without any regard for the impact that would have on the people who work there and wider society.

Aside from those really crowded pubs, I think there’s minimal risk in a normal pub or restaurant, especially outside! A stuffy restaurant with a fan, maybe, but then you would still have to be unlucky enough to be there at the same time as a Covid-infected customer.

Otoh it’s been said time and time again that family transmission is the real driver, yet people turn their heads away from this. Of course it’s more risky to go to a family wedding than the pub, because at the pub I’m not talking to the other customers for a whole day, leaning over a buffet table or staying over at anyone’s house.

The pandemic has made many people poorer, not just the hospitality sector. Many people have seen their income greatly reduced and job security totally disappear in other sectors of the economy. That is the case for me - I earn a fraction now of what I earned 6 months ago. I don't have the money to go out.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I think the government created the resentment by making pubs/bars/restaurants the first sector to open, before schools.

It was in the Summer, the schools had holidays, didn’t they? A bit difficult to re open in that care.

Not in June

Not in June

Pubs and restaurants reopened in the first weekend of July.

@IcedPurple

Not in June

Pubs and restaurants reopened in the first weekend of July.

Also still termtime

Pubs and restaurants reopened in the first weekend of July

At that point some children hadn’t been to school for months and others were still going to school until July 21 or thereabouts. It didn’t go down that well iirc.

And I’m pro the sector remaining open but government were happy to talk about getting a million children in school and sidestepped all those stuck at home.

The behaviour of the feckless in pubs isn't often the fault of pubs(at least the ones trying their best). If it wasn't pubs it would be somewhere else. More likely in homes with no restrictions at all. Either people give a shit or they don't.

This is completely incorrect thinking and why our numbers are rising.

You don’t need to be feckless to spread the virus. All you need to do is talk to someone indoors while your faces are uncovered.

The COVID pandemic is not due to drunk and irresponsible people. It’s due to many many normal people doing things that were safe previously, suddenly discovering that the virus spreads while we go about our day to day lives.

Good luck to anyone who thinks that because their pub is clean or does table service that the risk is low. No. The risk is based on if one of the people in your group that you’re laughing and chatting with has the virus and doesn’t know yet. That’s it.

Also still termtime

But look at all the complaints about schools not being 'safe' on MN now, 2 months later. If they'd reopened in July, MN would have broken under the strain of 'How dare they tell me to send my DC back to school in these conditions for just 3 weeks!"

Last week or so of term. It wasn't even remotely practical to reopen the schools for two weeks or so.

Tbh I would have taken some weeks at the end of term. When did they say schools could do what they wanted? Private schools would have got a couple of weeks at end of term.

@IcedPurple

Also still termtime

But look at all the complaints about schools not being 'safe' on MN now, 2 months later. If they'd reopened in July, MN would have broken under the strain of 'How dare they tell me to send my DC back to school in these conditions for just 3 weeks!"

Maybe - there are all types on Mumsnet, just like in the rest of society. Some on Mumsnet prefer homeschooling and keeping their DC at home. Those people definitely won't be socialising in the hospitality industry as they are very risk-averse re. the virus, probably for health reasons.

But there are also large numbers of posters who just want their DC to get their education or at least be in school so they can work themselves.

Personally I have DC in key exam years so I will probably post that education should be prioritised, and I am also financially much worse off due to the pandemic. And long past being socially active.

I think the government created the resentment by making pubs/bars/restaurants the first sector to open, before schools

But as the graph shows there wasn’t a spike when pubs and restaurants opened.

Also not trying to point out the obvious but things started to open up July/August time. Apart from Scotland schools aren’t normally open then. The soonest they could open was beginning of September so I don’t see that it was a huge conspiracy to keep schools shut.

@turnitonagain Ideally pubs should have closed a week before the schools went back, but it'd only work if adults behaved responsibly. It'd be no good shutting the pubs if there's house parties everywhere instead. You then have to commit to furloughing the pub industry which the government won't want to do, or be able to afford.

If we want our 'kids to get an education' and schools staying open the priority then adults need to stop socialising.

What percentage of the population has house parties? Are you suggesting this is the source of our high rates? This is utter rationalising. The virus does not care if you’re a sensible middle class mum having a glass of wine with your friends. It spreads when people congregate indoors.

The risk is based on if one of the people in your group that you’re laughing and chatting with has the virus and doesn’t know yet. That’s it

But given most of the time I am living with the people I am eating with the risk of me catching anything specifically because we went to a restaurant is minuscule

I would like to ask all the Mumsnetters who think pubs and restaurants should close and who think we should still be in a lockdown situation.

How many of you still have an income coming into your home.

How many of you have savings

And if every working member of your family lost their job at the beginning of this lockdown and you had worked through all your savings.
How many of you would still be advocating keeping the country in lockdown for another year.

Pubs reopened 4 July, my DC school last of term would have been 24 July. I didn't say the reopening caused a spike, I said it caused resentment. 3 weeks of school would have done many children the world of good.

@Hereinthesticks

Pubs reopened 4 July, my DC school last of term would have been 24 July. I didn't say the reopening caused a spike, I said it caused resentment. 3 weeks of school would have done many children the world of good.

Same here. Private schools did do a few weeks at the end of term. It didn’t matter it was only a short period. At that stage excluded years would have benefitted before moving into long summer break.

Oliversmum - although the focus has been on the hospitality industry, many many people in other industries have also seen lost income and been made redundant and disappearance of job security, had to live off diminishing savings. It really is not just the hospitality industry.

@Hereinthesticks

Pubs reopened 4 July, my DC school last of term would have been 24 July. I didn't say the reopening caused a spike, I said it caused resentment. 3 weeks of school would have done many children the world of good.

I think the government were just thinking economically at that point and trying to kick start the economy and the schools got forgotten.

Oliversmum - although the focus has been on the hospitality industry, many many people in other industries have also seen lost income and been made redundant and disappearance of job security, had to live off diminishing savings. It really is not just the hospitality industry

Exactly and people are still saying we should shut down

Although both dc are in the hospitality industry but more weddings and big events side which hasn’t really reopened.