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How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

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endoftheworldaoife · 13/09/2020 09:06

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

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EDSGFC · 13/09/2020 17:11

I read an article recently that suggested an increase in violence and suicide deaths, of 150k

In the UK? How can that be right when our excess deaths stand at 60,000 ISH and that's including all of the people who died from Covid?

canigooutyet · 13/09/2020 17:17

McDonalds and kfc could have easily kept their drive-thrus open for take-away service only and stayed open like many indie takeaways did.

gumball37 · 13/09/2020 17:19

You do realize the spanish flu was horribly deadly.... They didn't have a vaccine to stop it.... Yet we all haven't been wearing masks since 1918. It ran it's course and life returned to a new variety of normal. We CAN develop a vaccine to make the spread and deaths less likely... So I highly doubt we're all going to be social distancing and wearing masks for the rest of our lives.

okeydokeywokeyblokey · 13/09/2020 17:20

Re the civil war question, I can see it happening when the # of people vaccinated start insisting that everyone have it, and services and facilities will be closed off to those who prefer not to vaccinate

sunglassesonthetable · 13/09/2020 17:22

and services and facilities will be closed off to those who prefer not to vaccinate

Hmm
vodkaredbullgirl · 13/09/2020 17:22

Too much ageism on here.

cologne4711 · 13/09/2020 17:25

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable

Yes I do. I don't have any conditions which prevents me from wearing a mask, and the only places I have to wear a mask is in a shop or at the hairdressers.

My ds has to wear one on the college bus and in the communal areas at college, but not outside, and not in lessons.

I fail to see how that would be stilting his development if he were eg 11. And if he were at primary school he wouldn't have to wear a mask at all.

We had this debate on here a few weeks ago when someone was moaning about babies - babies learn from their parents and friends and other relatives, not from strangers in a supermarket.

The absolute worst thing about all this is the fact that our young have lost six months of their education and possibly more to come.

And the fact that parents of disabled children have just been left to fend for themselves.

That's what's terrible, not a bit of mask wearing and not being able to have whole class parties.

2bazookas · 13/09/2020 17:27

Vaccines virtually eradicated diptheria and polio ; why do you think i mass vaccination won't control covid 19?

SallySeven · 13/09/2020 17:28

A random toddler waved at me today and smiled. Masks are only worn in shops. Confused

popsydoodle4444 · 13/09/2020 17:28

Other life changing pandemics have come and gone throughout history.The difference is we have modern medicine and access to proper hygiene and PPE.They didn't and the pandemic's still disappeared.

canigooutyet · 13/09/2020 17:37

and services and facilities will be closed off to those who prefer not to vaccinate

That would get a big go fuck yourself from me.
You cannot force people to put a new unknown toxin into their body. Very slippery slope when you start things like this.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/09/2020 17:39

and services and facilities will be closed off to those who prefer not to vaccinate

And it hasn't happened

Along with civil war and bunkers.

canigooutyet · 13/09/2020 17:39

Aren't under 11 exempt from wearing them in or out of shops and public transport @SallySeven

wheresmymojo · 13/09/2020 17:42

I just think you're being extremely dramatic TBH.

I'm seeing plenty of friends and family now and definitely will not die because I don't give them a hug.

wheresmymojo · 13/09/2020 17:45

"...massive harm to their children"

"...older children are scarred for good"

This is not my experience nor the experience of any of my friends.

Our children are fine. Better for being back in school...yes. But no harm has been done from 12 weeks of family time.

If you go around being a total drama llama yourself then this is going to rub off on your children.

Flyonawalk · 13/09/2020 17:50

UK reports 5 (five) Covid deaths today. The ‘drama lama’ behaviour is presumably provoked by the lack of proportionate response.

okeydokeywokeyblokey · 13/09/2020 17:51

@sunglassesonthetable

and services and facilities will be closed off to those who prefer not to vaccinate

And it hasn't happened

Along with civil war and bunkers.

I live in US, and you cannot send your kids to school unless they have all the prescribed vaccines. I'm British btw. Dont say it hasn't happened just because it hasn't happened to you.
Flyonawalk · 13/09/2020 17:51

...and I can normally spell Llama.

Flyonawalk · 13/09/2020 17:52

I don’t think enforced vaccination will be tolerated. MMR still isn’t enforced in the UK despite having been available for decades and the Wakefield research being thoroughly discredited.

canigooutyet · 13/09/2020 17:54

@cologne4711 unfortunately it's not just disabled children and their parents who have been fucked through this.

Anyone with underlying health has been fucked over from this.

How any government could make a decision to close down treatment and departments is beyond me.

How any government could turn round and say all you that are clinically vulnerable get your asses back to school is astounding. So what if we dangled the possibility of continuing to shield and snatched it away with the threats of fines is disgraceful.

Schools and LEA's could have worked with families who needed work to get their children's arses to school. There's always been policies for this as schools/leas deal with this on an ongoing basis.

The government could have send out some sos type thing to all schools and asked them what online lessons they had and started to build something using this with Oak Academy on a national basis. Clearly some schools do as they continued during lock down. It's amazing we don't already have this, would save teachers 1000's of hours long term if they could just use old plans and given them a quick refresh for their students.

Something like this should have already been in place for those who were off through ongoing health needs. Instead children miss out unless parents nag and be seen as "that" parent.

canigooutyet · 13/09/2020 17:56

THe vaccine compensation thing already costs the government/tax payers millions. Without this scrapped I cannot foresee the government enforcing them,

sunglassesonthetable · 13/09/2020 17:56

. Dont say it hasn't happened just because it hasn't happened to you.

yep I'm aware that's the case for the US. @okeydokeywokeyblokey and it predates Covid. ^
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And yes it hasn't happened to date in the UK. My point stands.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 13/09/2020 18:00

I'm with op. I feel so sorry for young people now, no they probably don't think about other people - did you at their age ? I certainly didn't, young brains are wired to be selfish its natural!
I would hate to be young now , it's a tragedy.
As for the rule of 6 , I'd struggle to find 5 friends these days haha

okeydokeywokeyblokey · 13/09/2020 18:02

@canigooutyet

THe vaccine compensation thing already costs the government/tax payers millions. Without this scrapped I cannot foresee the government enforcing them,
Could be wrong, but heard the coronavirus vaccine holders are pushing for no liability, as it is rushed
LadyofTheManners · 13/09/2020 18:06

[quote canigooutyet]@cologne4711 unfortunately it's not just disabled children and their parents who have been fucked through this.

Anyone with underlying health has been fucked over from this.

How any government could make a decision to close down treatment and departments is beyond me.

How any government could turn round and say all you that are clinically vulnerable get your asses back to school is astounding. So what if we dangled the possibility of continuing to shield and snatched it away with the threats of fines is disgraceful.

Schools and LEA's could have worked with families who needed work to get their children's arses to school. There's always been policies for this as schools/leas deal with this on an ongoing basis.

The government could have send out some sos type thing to all schools and asked them what online lessons they had and started to build something using this with Oak Academy on a national basis. Clearly some schools do as they continued during lock down. It's amazing we don't already have this, would save teachers 1000's of hours long term if they could just use old plans and given them a quick refresh for their students.

Something like this should have already been in place for those who were off through ongoing health needs. Instead children miss out unless parents nag and be seen as "that" parent.[/quote]
Our school, a secondary, asked our local (Tory) council to allow the school to reopen in September but all SEN kids, especially those with disabilities which meant they could be made very ill or worse from covid 19, start back at the beginning of October. They reasoned that that way, we would know whether opening on one go instead of gradually phased would work and if there was an outbreak in any class or year group bubbles, the effect would be minimal. But no, the LEA said no.
The headteacher actually wrote in her email to us parents that she was tremendously sorry but the LEA and government had refused to allow staggered opening and as such, they would be forced to fine anyone not attending from the first day back regardless of underlying health issues. She reiterated this was not her call and she did not support their position on fines.
She actually demanded a special absence code in March for those of us who wanted to stay home before others took it seriously and then switched to hysteria in some cases. But she is not permitted to do that this time.
The government are using our children as test subjects. They know many are very financially unstable and the idea of court or a fine is too much.
If it's so safe why are the politicians not in parliament?
But even so, I still think that in most cases masks and distancing is fine and lockdown is over the top if we want a country to emerge back into. Who will pay for schools, benefits, NHS and elderly care if we have no money in the economy? Many more will die if this continues of treatable illness.