How can you do this to your children (and yourselves)?

[endoftheworldaoife]

It has been six months and it's now very clear that covid won't be doing away in our lifetimes. A vaccine won't eradicate it (just as a vaccine didn't eradicate flu).

Most of you seem to be willing to accept social distancing and masks for the foreseeable. And I don't get it. We are a tribal species. We literally die without contact and get sick without communication. Kids are learning arrange, stilted ways of being that will just worsen their digital reliance. OCD is being normalised. Dating will be neurotic and masked. Freshers won't make new loves or lifelong friends like we did. As for their working lives...

I wouldn't mind catching covid (indeed I'm sure we all will sooner or later) so can someone explain to me what on earth is happening in their heads to tip the balance? If it only affected us, I could understand (well, I couldn't but this feels like child abuse on a giant scale).

@everythingisginandroses

Civil war? FFS, you are like one of those right-wing spooks from the 1970s, it figures that you read the Telegraph.

Or a Russian bot.

@endoftheworldaoife OK. Well you obviously know best.
I currently live in a 'prison' with feeling poorly on and off. Memory loss, confusion, breathing problems, muscle pain, headaches that last a week abd it goes on.
But I'll take your word for it because you know, its nothing new. You'll probably ace your way through it when you catch it.
As long as people get to fall in love...

@endoftheworldaoife

The only alternatives aren't soft social isolation or lockdown, renegade. Both of those things were unthinkable, or should have been.

It's possible to take reasonable measures without ripping the heart out of what it means to be human.

Masks are a sideshow imo. I think forcing them is awful but they're not the core of the problem.

I can't see the point of saving people from death (a tiny number of people) by making life below worth living.

Not to mention the people who will die BECAUSE of restrictions.

People are incredibly resilient, creative and courageous...it’s what makes us human. This isn’t the first pandemic and won’t be the last but we will emerge on the other side having being shaped and squeezed by it. It demands that we experience what it is to be human with all the fear and doubt and difficulties. But that’s not a bad thing...it asks us to look at ourselves and our beliefs and values and move through it. My children like many others around the world have lived through appalling tragedy in their lives but they are resilient and creative and wise as a direct result of their experience of living. The way you view the situation and the emotional resources of individuals is critical to your negative viewpoint. Maybe stand in a different place and take another look ?

And all these other posters chirping up "I agree OP" and then gone.

Civil war will only happen if people like you keep banging on about it. Are you the same poster who was asking a couple of days ago why no-one was rioting in the streets? What do you hope war/rioting will achieve? Luckily most posters on Mumsnet are intelligent and recognise a giant spoon when they see one.

If there's going to be a civil war in the uk, it will be because of Brexit and dismissed as NI problem.

Perhaps posters would prefer to be in the US where in some states Covid is out of control with no leadership from Trump?

Why do you say saving a tiny number? If we had continued as 1000 deaths per day that would have been 365000 deaths per year . And horrible deaths at that with no family with you. And if we had not had lockdown it could have been worse leaving no NHS for any other illness at all for years to come .

6 months is 24 weeks of a huge learning curve for something we have never experienced in our life time . It is WHO that keeps changing recommendations about SD and masks .

I think it’s sad personally that a lot of people don’t treat it like a war , pull together and get on with it and let the scientists get on with their jobs.

* I* don't think post viral fatigue is anything new.

well come to that OP, nor are pandemics.

OP, I don’t foresee civil war but I agree with you that covid is not a sufficient reason or excuse for the restrictions which have been imposed. People with susceptibilities need to be allowed to make their own risk-assessment while everyone else keeps the world turning.

I can honestly see a civil war coming of this

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The rates are low currently because of the measures we’re taking. If we stop, then we will likely see a rise in cases and deaths.

This isn't true though, because people aren't accepting the measures, and still the hospitals and mortuaries aren't full.
People aren't caring anymore and it's making no difference

Yes a lot of posters using covid as a political weapon. That’s what I find disgusting.

Where’s all the op previous supporters??

Hospital admissions and deaths are increasing in France, along with a huge increase in cases. Don't suppose they are smiling there @Devlesko

@Flyonawalk

LadyoftheManners, you mention low infection rates being sensationalised. I agree the press are looking for shock headlines. The number of covid deaths is truly low in the UK at the moment (14 on 10th September, 6 on the 11th) so the media are shouting about infection rates as this sounds more alarming.

It's also great for selling papers and getting web hits. The likes of Murdoch don't care that covid fear is causing a huge increase in suicides. As long as they scare everyone into buying their rag to keep up with the latest barrel scraping news then that's fine. It's probably got them rubbing their hands with glee for the first time since Corbyn quit.

It’s social distancing, not solitary confinement with sensory deprivation.

@Flyonawalk er, which restrictions?

A lot of people seem to have authority issues aka parent issues

@LadyofTheManners huge surge of suicides? How many?

Oh do fuck off, OP.

It's not just about your precious children!!! Stop being so selfish. I'm ateacher with underlying health conditions, i get this I die. What about if I transmit it to my 80 year old Mum? There will be a vaccine in time. But we all have to see the bigger picture!

There's evidence building that wearing a mask not only reduces the severity of infection by reducing viral load, but may lead to immunity building by facilitating numerous low-exposures - www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?s=09

So if people would stop having hissy fits about 'muzzles' and defending their right to not wash their hands we could all be through this a lot quicker.

Like if people had actually been limiting to the 6 people meets that was already the guideline we might not have infections rising again.

But no, short termism is king, bad science is lauded and fuckwits are once again going to spoil everything for the rest of us.

Peter Openshaw, a professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College London, has said that the UK is facing another lockdown if the R figure doesn’t reduce.

[quote WellRiddleMeThis]@LadyofTheManners huge surge of suicides? How many?[/quote]
I read an article recently that suggested an increase in violence and suicide deaths, of 150k
There are many scientific studies which suggest it has caused a spike in suicides in young males.