No one can fix this apart from us

[notevenat20]

It's clear that numbers of cases are now going up rapidly. It seems likely we will copy either Spain or France but a few weeks behind. The only way to stop this is for us to change our behaviour. There is no other way.

We need to stop socialising, wear masks, wash our hands, keep our distance and not decide to break the law/do the opposite just because the govt annoys us. We don't need to wait for the govt to pass laws or tell us what to do. We already know.

No one can fix this apart from us.

It's difficult when social distancing doesn't really happening in schools (despite checkbox rules are in place), no one have the resource the police every corner of the school, plus school probably don't stress over SD anyway. Most don't wear masks at my kid's secondary school, no one follow SD. Even worst at my youngest's primary school, all children are more squashed than ever at lunch time for whatever reason - probably trying to squeeze more children in at any one session between cleaning? The bubbles are big, at least 100 kids.
Adults are not allow to go into school to pickup or drop off so all of us forced to wait outside the small space where SD is not possible.

We just do what we can and hope for the best. We are not well off, we don't get inheritance and we don't have anything to pass down to our children. I really worry for our future if our economy going downhill further.

@notevenat20

And preachy, blaming posts like this won't make any difference

More pleading than preaching. I don't understand where the idea of blame comes from. It is just a fact that humans spread it to each other and the more social contacts, the more it spreads.

But people know all these things. You are no better informed than any of us. Do you seriously think that even a single person is going to 'stop socialising' - something which they are not required to do under current guidelines - just because an anonmymous poster on MN said they should do so?

But people know all these things. You are no better informed than any of us. Do you seriously think that even a single person is going to 'stop socialising' - something which they are not required to do under current guidelines - just because an anonmymous poster on MN said they should do so?

Probably not. You can only do what you can do.

The idea of blame is everywhere. It is seeded throughout Mumsnet at the moment.

Selfish people going on holiday... Selfish people not wearing masks... Selfish people disobeying rules and making it much worse for everyone else... Selfish young people killing their grandparents... Selfish old people demanding young people give up everything to keep them safe....Selfish people going to the pub... Selfish people going from cities to the countryside....

Maybe, like the desire to believe that if we only followed the rules to the letter we could get rid of the virus, the desire to believe that it has to be someone's fault is part of the human condition.

But people know all these things.

I don't know how true this is. Does everyone know we are at the start of a second wave, how quickly cases are doubling, the increases in hospitalisations, what has happened in France and Spain and how far behind we are on the same track?

@notevenat20

But people know all these things.

I don't know how true this is. Does everyone know we are at the start of a second wave, how quickly cases are doubling, the increases in hospitalisations, what has happened in France and Spain and how far behind we are on the same track?

Surely if they read any form of press they’ll know. And if they read Mumsnet then they’ll know. So we can probably assume that if someone is reading your thread, they’ll have read at least some of the other threads about it.

The idea of blame is everywhere. It is seeded throughout Mumsnet at the moment.

Yes. But I don't think I took part in that.

didn’t know cash could change science.

How did you think science happens?!!

Yes you're being silly.

@notevenat20

But people know all these things.

I don't know how true this is. Does everyone know we are at the start of a second wave, how quickly cases are doubling, the increases in hospitalisations, what has happened in France and Spain and how far behind we are on the same track?

Much of what you've said above is speculation.

Regarding the parts that are factual, yes, I'm sure everyone reading the 'Coronavirus' section of MN knows them. What makes you think you are so much better informed than the rest of us, to the extent that you are qualified to tell people to do things not required by current govt guidelines?

Regarding the parts that are factual, yes, I'm sure everyone reading the 'Coronavirus' section of MN knows them. What makes you think you are so much better informed than the rest of us, to the extent that you are qualified to tell people to do things not required by current govt guidelines?

I am not sure what you mean by speculation here. It is true that there are still open scientific questions if that is what you mean.

To answer your first question, I just wasted as lot of hours researching. Other people might have better things to do.

Your last comment is most interesting and relevant. Yes I am exactly suggesting we take steps not required of us by the government. The point is that this is our lives and we should be responsible for it ourselves.

Your last comment is most interesting and relevant. Yes I am exactly suggesting we take steps not required of us by the government. The point is that this is our lives and we should be responsible for it ourselves.

But that's just it.

People are responsible for their own lives. They don't require a random on MN, who has no special knowledge, insight or authority, to tell them what to do. You may lock yourself up until next year or the year after if you like. Up to you. But not one person is going to do the same because you said they should.

Sorry, notevenat20, I wasn't specifically targeting you for blaming people. It's just you asked where the idea of blame came from and I think it's all over the place, so it's easy to read it into any statement. To be fair, I do think posting "The only way to stop this is to change our behaviour" is an implicit accusation, though it may be to yourself as much as to others.

People are responsible for their own lives. They don't require a random on MN, who has no special knowledge, insight or authority, to tell them what to do. You may lock yourself up until next year or the year after if you like. Up to you. But not one person is going to do the same because you said they should.

That is one way one way to look at it. But not a very positive or helpful one I would argue.

I of course have not suggested anyone lock themselves up.

@notevenat20

Regarding the parts that are factual, yes, I'm sure everyone reading the 'Coronavirus' section of MN knows them. What makes you think you are so much better informed than the rest of us, to the extent that you are qualified to tell people to do things not required by current govt guidelines?

I am not sure what you mean by speculation here. It is true that there are still open scientific questions if that is what you mean.

To answer your first question, I just wasted as lot of hours researching. Other people might have better things to do.

Your last comment is most interesting and relevant. Yes I am exactly suggesting we take steps not required of us by the government. The point is that this is our lives and we should be responsible for it ourselves.

You spent a lot of hours researching and came to the conclusion that people need to socialise less? It’s a wonder you weren’t recruited into SAGE.

To be fair, I do think posting "The only way to stop this is to change our behaviour" is an implicit accusation,

Rubbish. It's an exhortation or a request to a community of which she is a part. Which you can ignore. Lots of people have views about how we could all help ourselves by acting together and always have had. It's a good counterbalance to the I'm alright jack brigade which is a far greater problem to get worked up about.

I wish I knew a solution and have found this thread helpful and interesting.

I do my part with mask washing social distancing as much as possible, but frankly scared. My company insists now that we attend the office in London. I have 2 tubes to get there, our office is not equipped for social distancing, we are not allowed to wear masks on zoom or in meeting rooms. I don’t want to be part of the problem and I also don’t want to get sick or die either!

But the Chinese have managed to get rid of it nonetheless at least for the time being.
I dont think we want to aspire to be like China. I'd rather we all had human rights and freedoms, even if that means some people dying of covid.

Also I find it VERY hard to believe that there were under 5000 deaths from covid in China.

China welded people’s doors and windows closed so they couldn’t leave the house.
Not an approach we want to emulate, I wouldn’t have thought.

I dont think we want to aspire to be like China. I'd rather we all had human rights and freedoms, even if that means some people dying of covid.

I don't even want to be like South Korea which is a full democracy and has kept deaths down to less than 400, compared to our 40,000-65,000. But it's important to realise that it can be done. There were a lot of people saying it is impossible.

China welded people’s doors and windows closed so they couldn’t leave the house.

I didn't hear that (are you sure that was common?) but I do know that you would be quarantined alone in a hotel room with food delivered by robot.

www.cbc.ca/player/play/1703503427818

Redlocks28
Indeed, but many people going to work and school can’t socially distance-there just isn’t room.
Yep so in every other part of life we need to step up and take responsibility.

This is my favourite quote of the day!!! People are using the fact kids are at school to say oh well may as well all meet up after school/at the weekend then .... when actually they should be being more careful.

.Why bother, it's not going to go away and it's just not that dangerous.’

Oh fuck off with your selfishness. It’s dangerous to some people and exponential growth will cause problems. For individuals and for services.

You know the govt clearly want to avoid a situation where hospitals fill up with ill people. Whether their approach is justified or not is not the issue, they are putting in restrictive measures. The longer people don’t comply to the bare minimum of masks and SD, the longer the more restrictive rules will continue.

@notevenat20

China welded people’s doors and windows closed so they couldn’t leave the house.

I didn't hear that (are you sure that was common?) but I do know that you would be quarantined alone in a hotel room with food delivered by robot.

Which is not something I want to see happening here.