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Is the U.K. in danger of becoming a police state?

251 replies

Chocolategirl1 · 09/09/2020 20:35

We have now been living with restrictions to our civil liberties for 6 months. The state now has the power to force us to dress in a certain way (face coverings), to restrict our right to family life (no more than 6 in social gatherings), to give up our personal details to retail establishments (contact details to restaurants/pubs), to give up our children’s right to a fair education (continued closures of schools following coronavirus cases), in some cases to give up our right to run a business or work (for example those businesses that can’t run properly due to social distancing etc), and now we have more police powers for enforcement of these rules and apparently “Covid Marshalls” to spy on people and control their behaviour. And there is no definite end point to any of this. None at all. There are vague “hopes” that the state will “try” to return to some kind of normal by a Christmas, but now that’s apparently dependent on regular mass testing - which in itself is a restriction on liberty. My worry is this: now that the state has realised it can control people in this way, will it give up those powers at all? Even if we get a vaccine, will the state actually give us back our freedom like it was before? And what if we never get a vaccine? People may say that all of this is justified by a virus (though a virus that has overall an extremely low fatality rate) but many governments throughout history have taken their citizens’ rights away permanently. How do we know our government won’t do the same?

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Refractory · 09/09/2020 20:36

Yes, it is.

tappitytaptap · 09/09/2020 20:38

I agree. Not a conspiracy theorist at all, but it terrifies me how many people are so willing to give up their freedoms (well, on mumsnet. People I know in real life are not so keen and I know no one at all even shielding who has seen no one since March as so many on here claim not to have).

CactusForever · 09/09/2020 20:38

You are not being unreasonable!

Add to that the fact that we are about to break international law on the withdrawal agreement around the border in NI.

Plus this utter shite about Extinction Rebellion being an organised crime group(?)

WTF is going on.

MsWonderful · 09/09/2020 20:41

Yes, I think it’s a danger and I think we need to be aware of the possibility that this is the thin end of the wedge. It scares me!

LoveNote · 09/09/2020 20:43

its worldwide though, not just uk

OublietteBravo · 09/09/2020 20:43

Yes. The continued lack of parliamentary scrutiny for new regulations is chilling.

MillieEpple · 09/09/2020 20:45

I agree it all needs very careful monitoring.
Although i was terrified that they wouldnt restore the rights for children with SEN under an ehcp but they did which has reassured me a little.
I too am not a conspiracy theorist but i am amazed by whats going on.

Farahilda · 09/09/2020 20:47

The Emergency Powers Act has a sunset clause, inbuilt reviews of use of powers, and is clearly drawn up to cover only relevant powers - and not all of them are in use all the time. The government's use of its powers can also be scrutinised by judicial review.

Shame Chakrabati did not oppose the Act, but spoke instread about the need for proportionality, and for the government to remember that use its use of these powers will be scrutinised, and people can be called to account.

That is very far from a police state.

Ginfordinner · 09/09/2020 20:47

Better get your tin foil hats on then. The pandemic won't go away if people won't socially distance.

Chocolategirl1 · 09/09/2020 20:48

The fact that it is worldwide and not just the U.K. makes it worse. Because it means that there’s not any other country to hold us to account.

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Nixen · 09/09/2020 20:50

Yep. I can’t believe we now live in a time where this is a thing 😫

Is the U.K. in danger of becoming a police state?
CherryPavlova · 09/09/2020 20:51

Creeping fascism enabled by a corrupt government.

Bollss · 09/09/2020 20:53

Yep. What's to stop them carrying on?

DonaldTrumpsChopper · 09/09/2020 20:55

I absolutely agree

ShanghaiDiva · 09/09/2020 20:57

Having lived in China for 12 years, I would say we are very far away from being a police state.

LouiseNW · 09/09/2020 20:58

No.

Farahilda · 09/09/2020 20:58

*Shami Chakrabati did not oppose the Act (sorry, DYAC)

Bollss · 09/09/2020 20:58

@ShanghaiDiva

Having lived in China for 12 years, I would say we are very far away from being a police state.
Presumably you actively chose to live there knowing how they treat their citizens though? We didn't choose this.
Nikori · 09/09/2020 21:01

@LoveNote

its worldwide though, not just uk
What other countries are threatening to arrest people if they gather in groups of more than 6?

How is that even legal?

MintChocAddict · 09/09/2020 21:03

I have mixed feelings about this having had Covid impact on our family, although I'm concerned by the introduction of Covid Marshalls. Hmm

I do think there has to be an element of control during a world pandemic and our lockdowns and rules haven't been severe in comparison to other countries
However..... if you've recently watched the Handmaid's tale and remember Serena this photo of Ivanka Trump might give you the shivers Wink

Is the U.K. in danger of becoming a police state?
U8myufo · 09/09/2020 21:05

Yes I believe it's heading in a scary direction. I don't think anybody needs tin hats, nobody is denying there's a virus. I think Government have managed to get people to accept many things people wouldn't otherwise have thought reasonable. We are in extenuating circumstances for sure, but it does show what a climate of fear can do to corral people (not saying that the fear is unjustified of course).

GlacindaTheTroll · 09/09/2020 21:06

We didn't choose this

Except we did elect the parliament which passed it unopposed (so unless you voted for a party which has no MPs, your party supported it passing that way)

The first 6 monthly review by Parliament is due in about 2 weeks. If you want your MP to act differently at this review than they did when the bill passed, now is the time to get emailing

ShanghaiDiva · 09/09/2020 21:07

Yes, I did choose to live there and restrictions are much more severe than here and restrictions were also much stricter in handling the pandemic and resulted in lower numbers of infections and deaths. I only moved back to the uk this year and was living in China when the virus started to spread outside Wuhan.
As I said, uk has nowhere near the level of control to be classed as a police state.

Bollss · 09/09/2020 21:08

@GlacindaTheTroll

We didn't choose this

Except we did elect the parliament which passed it unopposed (so unless you voted for a party which has no MPs, your party supported it passing that way)

The first 6 monthly review by Parliament is due in about 2 weeks. If you want your MP to act differently at this review than they did when the bill passed, now is the time to get emailing

I didn't vote for anyone so... My local MP is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
HelloMissus · 09/09/2020 21:08

Yes.
I am a perfectly ordinary 52 year old law abiding woman.
I am also an ex lawyer.
The incursions into the rule of law from erosion of trial to he inability of prisoners to see their reps to the introduction of Covid Marshals is shocking.