“Covid marshals to be introduced”

[Funkypolar]

To enforce social distancing.

No doubt they will find many volunteers on Mumsnet!

I'm more concerned that not one person in this thread can spell "marshal".

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OP aside.

@LizzieSiddal

f everyone just followed the rules- wash your hands and most importantly keep 2 metres away from everyone, the virus would die out pretty quickly. It’s people’s (Mostly young people) inability to do this which is causing these new rules

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Please please try and understand that the covid virus is never ever going to simply die out - the genie is out of the bottle and it is never going away no matter how much social distancing or face masks or other restrictions are put in place. Yes we could reduce the number of cases to low levels but this would need to be done on a global basis, otherwise it's just reintroduced it on the next flight from the US or India or China.

Yes we might develop a vaccine but that is only going to help your resistance so that you get a milder version of covid in the same way as the annual flu jab works.

Or we could develop a herd immunity but that will cost lives of the over 80s and immune compromised.

But we need to very very clear Covid cannot be eliminated. It is here to stay in the same way that every year people catch the same virus from the 1953 and 1968 epidemics and some still die from it, it's just that the vast vast majority of us have already been exposed and have built up a resistance.

Oh joy.

Some MN users will be orgasmic hearing this

I think the tinfoil hat / conspiracy theorists on this thread and / or selfish cunts ‘I’m alright I do my own risk assessment the vulnerable can shield or fuck off and die they have already lived long enough’ are having multiple orgasms

@Wavescrashingonthebeach

You do know Hitler was a fascist intent on mass murder and world domination and it wasn't anything to do with trying to protect people froma pandemicdon't you?

Hitler created enough hysteria and mass disinformation amongst the general public that he convinced a great deal of the general public that they needed protecting from the Jews, amongst other 'undesirables'. The process took years, but yes, the initial selling point to the public was in fact protection.

Absolutely this! It's well-known and documented, too. It's fact. He had the ideal backdrop, too, which we will soon have with no deal Brexit - mass unemployment and resulting poverty, rise of nationalism and xenophobia (No one 'needs' to go abroad, they should all be forced to stay at home, staycations only, close the borders! Do people not realise that one of the fundamental freedoms a person has is the ability to leave one's own country at will?).

Fucking hell, do they not teach your own nation's history in schools?

Whether you agree with the new measures or not I think it a good idea that they are policed for a change.
However, this role is not going to attract the better kind of people is it? Likely only Karen/Terry & Mabel/Mark types will apply

How many people have thought through this idea properly?

I don't see how covid marshalls actually have the ability to DO anything.

Say they confront a man who promptly tells them to fuck off and refuses to give his details. Then what? Do they ask again or back off? Will this cause a confrontation? What training will they have for this? Will they know how to deesculate situations? Will police be more likely to be called if things kick off? Keeping in mind there have been a few incidents in other countries where people not complying with restrictions have been challenged and its ended in the murder of the person questioning the lack of following the rules.

Or will they be more likely to target 'soft options' and harass people with health conditions who will then be more likely to hide away from the world out of fear not only of the virus but overly enthusiatic Covid Marshalls? Does it then run the risk of potentially being discriminatory and being challenged in court as such?

The whole idea seems a good one in principle, but when you start to look at the finer detail of how it will work in practice it starts to get a lot murker. Will these be paid positions? If so, whose budget does it come out of? Will these be volunteer positions? How will recruitment of covid marshalls be vetted for suitability, or are we going to get a bunch of rather dodgy heavies prowling outside your local Tesco Extra store intimidating old grannies with breathing conditions? (Or will they be more likely to be outside Waitrose?). Is it an idea for employing out of work security guards?

How long will it take to set up this covid marshall system? Its not going to happen is it? (And if it does it raises questions about due diligence over recruitment and training).

It also starts to suggest interesting things about how long the government is anticipating restrictions are going to be a way of life and how far away 'normality' actually is.

Unless of course its an idea the government have thought is really great and will impress the public in the media but they haven't thought through at all.

Not that this would ever happen. Would it?

I may be a little skeptical.

@Alex50

Can you still meet more people than 6 in a place of worship? If so how many people?

Yes, same with weddings and funerals, BUT ONLY IF social distancing precautions are in place!!

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'With the vile nonsense on here '

What, the Hitler and gestapo comments you mean? I wonder if people who have lived in a real dictatorship lol reading this.

Don't meet up in groups of more then 6, they're taking away my rights innit. How very dare they try and slow transmission rates!!

I have. First rule is almost always: it is illegal to meet in your own home with individuals other than your own family/X number of people not of your own family/meet them outdoors, either. Persons doing this are now committing a crime, they are threats to public safety, report them! They're the baddies, not 'us', your neighbour's the baddie, your hairdresser, your son's teacher, etc.

liverbird I reckon we all got stung by knowing someone called Marshall.
I tried to correct it like 3 times then thought fuck it

@liverbird10

I'm more concerned that not one person in this thread can spell "marshal".

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I've been so busy correcting the capital M autocorrect puts at the beginning of the word I didn't even notice the second L it had put at the end.

In my defence I am currently wanged on codeine

Do you get a star-shaped badge? I'd like one of those.

I thought gestapo was a sort of cold soup. What have I been eating? 🤮

@RedToothBrush

How many people have thought through this idea properly?

I don't see how covid marshalls actually have the ability to DO anything.

Say they confront a man who promptly tells them to fuck off and refuses to give his details. Then what? Do they ask again or back off? Will this cause a confrontation? What training will they have for this? Will they know how to deesculate situations? Will police be more likely to be called if things kick off? Keeping in mind there have been a few incidents in other countries where people not complying with restrictions have been challenged and its ended in the murder of the person questioning the lack of following the rules.

Or will they be more likely to target 'soft options' and harass people with health conditions who will then be more likely to hide away from the world out of fear not only of the virus but overly enthusiatic Covid Marshalls? Does it then run the risk of potentially being discriminatory and being challenged in court as such?

The whole idea seems a good one in principle, but when you start to look at the finer detail of how it will work in practice it starts to get a lot murker. Will these be paid positions? If so, whose budget does it come out of? Will these be volunteer positions? How will recruitment of covid marshalls be vetted for suitability, or are we going to get a bunch of rather dodgy heavies prowling outside your local Tesco Extra store intimidating old grannies with breathing conditions? (Or will they be more likely to be outside Waitrose?). Is it an idea for employing out of work security guards?

How long will it take to set up this covid marshall system? Its not going to happen is it? (And if it does it raises questions about due diligence over recruitment and training).

It also starts to suggest interesting things about how long the government is anticipating restrictions are going to be a way of life and how far away 'normality' actually is.

Unless of course its an idea the government have thought is really great and will impress the public in the media but they haven't thought through at all.

Not that this would ever happen. Would it?

I may be a little skeptical.

You're thinking too deeply. It's the "nudge" theory. We already have shop staff at the entrance managing the queue and telling people to wipe trolleys, use gel, put their mask on. Just by someone being there, the vast majority comply. A few refuse and walk in anyway. No need for the shop worker to call police etc - "most" people are "nudged" into doing the right thing, and that's enough.

I can see similar in other places with the "marshals", i.e. encouraging people to follow one way systems, supervise queues, ask people to practice social distancing instead of getting too close, etc. If they come across an arrogant prick who wants to cause a scene, they just ignore and walk away.

@loulouljh

Quarantine camps (or facilities) have been introduced in NZ. You cannot leave the facility until you have taken a test. These measures are from horror films but they are happening right here right now.

Do you mean our managed isolation facilities? These are all 4 and 5 star hotels. All people coming into NZ stay for 2 weeks. You are tested on day 3 and day 12. If negative you can leave. If positive you ad those you travel with are moved to another hotel.

If you refuse a test then you stay for another 14 days.

I’ve had a few friends go through these facilities AND there are no exceptions. Taika Waititi (NZ director - films like Thor) is in managed isolation now with his two kids.

For the current community outbreak in Auckland, they are moving people to a hotel. A lot of transmission occurs in households, so it is one way of keeping people safe. It’s not compulsory though.

@Aridane

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Yes, because everyone who disagrees with Covid Marshalls being instituted is a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe Covid is dangerous ? There's that narrative again, those who don't support it are the baddies, ignorant, 'Karens', potential murderers, just want people to die, etc.

Anyone who questions it is the baddie in the 'us' v. 'them'.

@RedToothBrush 👏👏👏

@WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat

Do you get a star-shaped badge? I'd like one of those.

I thought gestapo was a sort of cold soup. What have I been eating? 🤮

How about a sunflower lanyard with a card attached? It's even got the yellow in it .

Well in Wales they never lifted having friends in your home only family still. Unless there are set reasons to do so.

I am baffled re: the marshals, will they be trained up somewhere will they be CRB checked it.

We've been twice to a hospital out patient dept. First time, no-one at the door, so people were walking in without masks, ignoring the hand gel dispenser and box of masks on the table, etc., despite signs everywhere. Next time we went, there was a guy sat inside the door (not security, no hi viz, looked like a cleaner), with the hand gel dispenser in his hand giving everyone a squirt and reminding them about masks at the same time - he was also handing a mask to everyone without one - whilst we were there, no one refused. As above, that's the "nudge" theory in practice.

Do you mean our managed isolation facilities? These are all 4 and 5 star hotels. All people coming into NZ stay for 2 weeks. You are tested on day 3 and day 12. If negative you can leave. If positive you ad those you travel with are moved to another hotel.

That makes it alright then . And the NO exceptions part. Yeah, that's great.

I can see similar in other places with the "marshals", i.e. encouraging people to follow one way systems, supervise queues, ask people to practice social distancing instead of getting too close, etc. If they come across an arrogant prick who wants to cause a scene, they just ignore and walk away.

Well that will work for about two weeks then before the entire scheme becomes pointless and collaspes. It'll take longer to set up!

Sorry did I just read "if you cough on someone and you've got covid then you're committing murder" wtaf planet are you from?! Aside from it being an obviously ridiculous statement, you do know that 99.9% of people who get covid dont actually die?!

@HelloMissus @PennyDreadful I was thinking people round here might be huge Eminem fans...

The police didn’t even turn up when I was mugged or burgled

no but they had plenty of time to chase people around during lockdown and tell them off for doing perfectly legal activities.

I hope that if they do decide to employ these "marshals" that they will be better informed of the law than Easyjet crews. Did you hear about the man who had an exemption certificate so he didn't have to wear a mask but the inbound crew decided they were above the law and didn't have to accept it.

Yet another example of uninformed jobsworths not understanding the law and making no attempt to educate themselves. We get it with age-restricted purchases, we get it with data protection and now mask-wearing. I doubt these marshals will be any better.

(Easyjet just also happen to be the morons who told a woman to move seats because of bigoted Orthodox Jewish men who "couldn't" sit next to her. I will never ever fly with them)