“Covid marshals to be introduced”

[Funkypolar]

To enforce social distancing.

No doubt they will find many volunteers on Mumsnet!

@Nestme

Well if we must have marshals please let them have powers to force all the attention seeking twits that "can't wear a mask because I am claustrophobic" to put them on or carry a lanyard or medical exception card that explains how they have a real physical or psychological reason not to wear one, rather than the scores of women I know who do neither.

And do you know the entire medical histories of all these women?

Of course you don't. You have no idea why they may feel claustrophobic or panicky in a mask.

Once again, for the arses people in the back: There is no medical exemption card, the government have stated proof is not required, and those who are exempt do not have to wear a lanyard.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Did you stay out for an hour and 5 minutes just to fuck with him?

At least five minutes every single day. Think it gave him a purpose so was happy to oblige

You do know Hitler was a fascist intent on mass murder and world domination and it wasn't anything to do with trying to protect people from a pandemic don't you?

He didn't start out that way or he'd never have been elected. No, there was no pandemic, instead there were the serious threats to public health that come from mass unemployment and devalued currency - poverty, ill health, lack of properly functioning infrastructure and services, increased domestic violence, etc.

The biggest threat to public health in the world (and to the climate) is widespread poverty. It tends to lead to other nasties like lack of social cohesion, increasing gaps between rich and poor and civil unrest.

If you feel the marshals continue long after the threat has passed, as a democracy you can vote to change the government

Ha. Ha. The point is that at the end of it, there may not be a democracy, or any elections. I'm sure in 1933 people in Germany said "don't worry, if you don't like this Hitler guy, you can just vote him out!".

rainbow you may not give a shit about Belly's life or the impact on her family after her death, you clearly don't care about anyone's health and well being - much less someone just carrying out her job. And no she is not the only one!
I don't think this says much about you to be honest, to dismiss this woman's death with a flick of the wrist, to dismiss the danger we are all in if we just sit back and do fuck all just so you can meet up with who you like. That is pretty disgusting actually.

I think it’s a great idea, people are dicks. I’ve been so frustrated watching people behave like twats

funky that is a matter for your conscience not mine.

They trusted us to use common sense... While making food half price, telling us to get back to crowded offices and use crowded public transport to get there, to go on holiday, to socialise...
I agree with this.
They knew they were handling this crisis awfully and were concerned their mates wouldn't keep getting richer so they read the public mood and relaxed things with awfully incoherent and illogical guidelines.

The virus never went away. The need to distance never went away. But people heard what they wanted to and toddled off to packed beaches etc because the sad reality is that common sense isn't that common.

Common sense would have people maybe occasionally meeting someone else at a distance, families going to a quieter beach for the day to make the most of the relaxed rules etc.

The reality was some people were itching to pile into rural communities, get pissed on nights out in pubs, went to raves, went to busy beaches and popular beauty spots with all the other idiots.

Now they're blaming schools and teenagers.

Cummings is probably sitting back laughing at how quickly the public turn on each other whilst ignoring the deliberate refusal of our government to responsibly handle the situation.

The point is unless we enforce, tens of thousands of people WILL die, it is not a maybe/possibly/potentially. It is an absolute certainty.

It is not an absolute certainty, nothing is (well, death and taxes excepted), and tens of thousands more will die from conditions other than Covid in our single-pointed endeavour to completely eliminate a human virus that is passed among humans.

A police officer on the radio earlier said "We already have to decide between the house break-in, the stabbing and the person who has been mugged so it's not that we're choosing to ignore parties, we just don't have the manpower

Excuses seeing as they were happy to break up a kid's party.

Friendsoftheearth. Belly’s death was a tragedy. There are no doubts about that, even if the man who spat at her was released without charge. I was angered and saddened when I read about that.

I’m also extremely angry about someone close to me who died from cancer as their treatment was stopped due to Covid19.

Or am I not allowed to be angry because only Covid deaths matter?

@Friendsoftheearth

funky that is a matter for your conscience not mine.

I'm sure your passive aggressive attempt at guilt-tripping will keep her/him up at night.

I can't honestly get excited about a few Environmental health peeps in hi-vis tabbards asking people to try and social distance whilst out and about in town.

@Friendsoftheearth

rainbow you may not give a shit about Belly's life or the impact on her family after her death, you clearly don't care about anyone's health and well being - much less someone just carrying out her job. And no she is not the only one! I don't think this says much about you to be honest, to dismiss this woman's death with a flick of the wrist, to dismiss the danger we are all in if we just sit back and do fuck all just so you can meet up with who you like. That is pretty disgusting actually.

@Friendsoftheearth that's disgusting, to imply I don't care about that poor woman's death and how her family have suffered.

Seriously, have a look at yourself saying bullshit like that. It says far more about you. You sound fucking charming.

You were making it sound like there are great swathes of the population deliberately trying to murder others by coughing over them when they knowingly had Covid. One disgusting specimen has done this, and sadly we'll never be able to get rid of the minuscule number of people in society who are that sick.

Have a word with yourself.

@Wavescrashingonthebeach Yes, I understand what you are saying and I did acknowledge in my post that whatever the initial context it can be a slippery slope so I am by no means unaware of that. Just pointing out that this particular govt has many small state conservatives in it.

@RainbowParadise You will find no opposition whatsoever from me on how badly the govt have handled this. It has been criminal and deeply shocking. Boris has shown in cringe worthy detail how poor his grasp on the science is, and the whole thing has revealed the creaking and inadequate nature of PHE et al. It's been atrociously mismanaged, which again I said in a previous post. I also agree about the gaslighting, even though there are many people who have not made an effort.

Just an example...friend of a relative recently got back from holiday but said she refused to quarantine. She doesn't work or study and had no major obstacles to isolating but just said she couldn't be bothered. Turns out she had covid. She infected her whole household who had meanwhile seen other friends including sharing a vehicle with them. This was just for leisure purposes and there was no reason they couldn't have each taken their own car. Other friends were of course asked to isolate by track and trace. Last I heard they had just been out to the shops with another household and were 'thinking about' isolating. This kind of behaviour may be a drop in the ocean compared to govt failures but it sure doesn't help.

Friendsoftheearth - that’s a strange thing to say. Sorry to say that I won’t be lying awake at night sobbing and shaking because a random person writing words on an electronic screen thinks I need to examine my conscience.

The point is unless we enforce, tens of thousands of people WILL die, it is not a maybe/possibly/potentially. It is an absolute certainty.

Unless you can time travel, you are talking an absolute crock of total shite.

Hundreds of thousands will also die from lack of NHS care but hey, only Covid deaths matter.

rainbow You expressed zero concern whatsoever for Belly. Not one word, only stated it was 'just' one so therefore deducing it was not worth worrying about. Your words not mine.

You should really start to consider the content of what you are posting if you want anyone to think you care about any of this.

It is a crime, we need to understand that really fully. Do what you want with the information. Solicitors are that way when you need them >>>

Covid is not the only thing people can die of and it is not the only thing that matters.

As someone who has been staying at home and wearing a mask when I have to, I have committed no crime.

I’m enforcing it rigidly by not going to the high street or the office. I won’t be told to save Pret (wear a mask to get takeout, don’t wear a mask to sit down, clever virus). Or is not supporting the high street a crime too?

@Friendsoftheearth

rainbow You expressed zero concern whatsoever for Belly. Not one word, only stated it was 'just' one so therefore deducing it was not worth worrying about. Your words not mine.

You should really start to consider the content of what you are posting if you want anyone to think you care about any of this.

It is a crime, we need to understand that really fully. Do what you want with the information. Solicitors are that way when you need them >>>

@Friendsoftheearth I don't think it's be who needs to consider the content of what I post. I'm not the one suggested that murder by deliberate coughing is a serious problem.

Does it need to be said how awful that woman's death was? I thought it goes without saying.

Get some help.

Covid is not the only thing people can die of and it is not the only thing that matters

Of course not, but nothing will increase non Covid deaths more than exponential growth of Covid, unless the govt severely mishandle NHS responses which I admit is a definite possibility. That doesn't change the fact that keeping non Covid deaths low requires keeping covid cases low.

It's a good thing if done correctly!

Rather than shut down the economy shut down the places who aren't complying.

The same as you would shit down restaurants who had poor hygeine etc.

@pennydreadful

*And do you know the entire medical histories of all these women?

Of course you don't. You have no idea why they may feel claustrophobic or panicky in a mask.

Once again, for the arses people in the back: There is no medical exemption card, the government have stated proof is not required, and those who are exempt do not have to wear a lanyard.*

Ah see, you're missing the point and have misread what I said in your outrage. I don't know people's medical history, nor do I want to. I don't care if they don't wear a mask because they can't. I want the new marshals to be given new powers to ask this, if we must have them, and the new rule of 6s laws to include introducing some form of exemption card and people having to wear lanyards, if they are eligble, in order to stop all the attention seeking fakers causing endless bloody issues about masks and leave the very few people who genuinely can't wear one to be left in peace to go about their business.