“Covid marshals to be introduced”

[Funkypolar]

To enforce social distancing.

No doubt they will find many volunteers on Mumsnet!

My Mum has barely left her house for fear of catching Covid since March, other than a daily dog walk round the block. She does, however, spend an outrageous amount of time peering through her net curtains reporting on her neighbours’ COVID indiscretions - who has too many visitors - who isn’t wearing a mask - who coughed loudly as they passed her house.

The possibility of becoming a COVID Marshal might be enough to tempt her back out into the world again.

@GabsAlot

why is anyone surprised theyb said they trusted us to use common sense and we havent so what do you expect

Oh come on.

They trusted us to use common sense... While making food half price, telling us to get back to crowded offices and use crowded public transport to get there, to go on holiday, to socialise... There's an open air 'arena' near me that's had live gigs almost every night for over a month. Capacity is 2000 and it's sold out every night. There's a show tonight and into next week. Our infections have gone through the roof.

I’m confused by the comments saying it’s our own fault for breaking the rules.

Asked if the restrictions have led to fatigue in the public, Whitty says the "overwhelming response of the British public public has been magnificent".

@PennyDreadfuI

Hopefully these people won't be able to police us, but this is what people don't realise we have created a fear and hatred of people unmasked or different it's scary how compliant or joining in on this.

Thankfully not heard any yet, but if I hear abuse I will intervene.

I would also add if you are deliberately coughing on someone and you know you have covid, that is in fact murder, particularly if it can be proved you targeted the person concerned, and they died as a result

Sorry, who on this thread has even implied they have done that?

We have to do everything we can to stop the virus in any way we can.

So do you agree that it was totally acceptable that perinatal mental health services, cancer diagnoses and treatment and women's refuges have been closed or delayed in order to stop the virus? Acceptable collateral damage, yes?

I would also add if you are deliberately coughing on someone and you know you have covid, that is in fact murder, particularly if it can be proved you targeted the person concerned, and they died as a result.

Oh come on, how many people who knowingly have Covid are deliberately coughing on other people? You must realise that this is vanishingly rare?

And I’ve been wearing my mask on the few occasions I’ve gone into a shop. I don’t feel like it’s safe to visit the high street, go out to eat, use public transport or go to the office.

Because there’s a deadly virus right? If it’s not safe to see family and friends at home I can’t possibly go to Pret.

'Hitler didnt just flick a switch overnight. Plenty of buildup: the Wiemar republic, hyperinflation, mass unemployment. There was such a gradual reduction of people's liberties that by the time really really bad changes were happening, it was far too late to push back against it, and people were too far down the rabbit hole.'

Oh dear. I thought Twitter was bad.

You do know Hitler was a fascist intent on mass murder and world domination and it wasn't anything to do with trying to protect people from a pandemic don't you?

But you are not addressing the real issue, I note you have nothing to say about the real outcome of no enforcement.

Death and more death pretty much sums it up, but you can keep thinking your break in is more important funky

A sense a massive inability to assess the real situation, and killing someone is still a crime in this country. Many a business will tell you that after a lengthy court battle about death and negligence.

It's comments about coughing that make me paranoid. I cough because of hayfever which this year has been worse than ever and I worry what people think. Obviously I cough into a tissue or my elbow before I'm accused of coughing over people!

Friendsoftheearth - I don’t need to address any issues you have. It’s my opinion. We still live in a country where I can feel and think exactly what I choose - and so can you!

PennyDreadful, I'm really sorry. I COMPLETELY misread your post as one of glee that marshalls would now be tackling those who are NOT wearing masks.

I've read your post again in light of what you've said and I'm mortified.

I'm also absolutely horrified to read of your experience. That's horrendous.

@mrsnorrismeow

The police didn’t even turn up when I was mugged or burgled.

They did literally nothing last year when a speeding driver nearly mowed my 3 year old and I down on a residential road, then followed us into a shop, screaming abuse threatening to knife me.

Our neighborhood team had enough of a twat we have on our road. I don't get involved in this group, but I do agree that he is an utter Bellend. All during lockdown, he had 20+ people in nightly. He was outside his house being off about the government are doing it to be anti people like him. Still fucked if I know what he meant by that but he is constantly offended anyway, he told me my Christmas lights were discrimination against him and his views. He's that type of prat. But this neighborhood group did actually report him, they did so a number of times. Not once between April and June did the police show up. Not once. Not for him. When someone reported an elderly neighbors having people in his house a couple of times a day, they couldn't get round quick enough. It was an elderly neighbor having end of life care from healthcare assistants because he wanted to die at home, which he did, 2 weeks after 2 police cars appeared at his door. He was too unwell to open the door but luckily one of his carers was there elsewise I did wonder if they would've kicked the door off. So one old gent has that response, yet a twat breaking rules at least 3 times a week for the entirety of lockdown gets nothing. He has since told one of the neighborhood group when he decided to shout at her that he has mates in the local police and he knew they had complained about him but he wasn't going to get grief. This. This is why this is never going away. This is why there needs to be an overhaul of police in this country. And as for bloody wardens giving out fines, I give a fortnight before one gets punched in the jaw or worse.

rainbow I will link the case:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/uk-rail-worker-dies-coronavirus-spat-belly-mujinga

@Nestme

Well if we must have marshals please let them have powers to force all the attention seeking twits that "can't wear a mask because I am claustrophobic" to put them on or carry a lanyard or medical exception card that explains how they have a real physical or psychological reason not to wear one, rather than the scores of women I know who do neither.

Labelling people in public, yeah, that's a great idea, said no one with a grain of sense ever.

A sense a massive inability to assess the real situation, and killing someone is still a crime in this country. Many a business will tell you that after a lengthy court battle about death and negligence.*

Maybe you should take this up with Boris who wanted to pursue herd immunity the first of his many u-turns and who was happy for the elderly to be discharged from hospital into care homes where Covid then spread like wildfire.

Stop tearing apart ordinary people who on the whole have tried to do there best. Look where the blame really lies.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Police state. Terrifying.

What is terrifying is peoples inability to follow simple rules/guidance and that is why things like "covid marshals" are needed.

@Soubriquet apologies if someone has already mentioned it, I scanned the thread before posting and didn’t see anything, but the Chinese concentration camps are real unfortunately. They’re detaining Uigher Muslims and ‘reeducating’ them, separating families, ‘disappearing’ them etc. Nothing to do with coronavirus, mind. And no one really seems to care either.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

PennyDreadful, I'm really sorry. I COMPLETELY misread your post as one of glee that marshalls would now be tackling those who are NOT wearing masks.

I've read your post again in light of what you've said and I'm mortified.

I'm also absolutely horrified to read of your experience. That's horrendous.

That's ok, I thought that's what might have happened

Yes, it's horrible. I understand people are scared but there's no excuse for abuse. Unfortunately the sorts of people who are so quick to judge are probably exactly the types who'll be chomping at the bit to apply for marshall posts. Going out will become even more worrying than it already is.

@Friendsoftheearth one case. Just one.

Stop making it sound like mass numbers of people are deliberately trying to murder others with corona.

Death and more death pretty much sums it up, but you can keep thinking your break in is more important funky

Are you saying that the police speaking to someone because the nosey Parker next door has reported them for some perceived wrongdoing is more important than someone's home being broken into, their belongings stolen and their space violated?

it wasn't anything to do with trying to protect people from a pandemic don't you?

If the government actually want to protect people, they've done a terrible job - trash the economy while dumping people in care homes to spread the disease, and not allowing people into hospital until they were half-dead. I don't really think they're that noble and "just thinking of us". They're politicians, they love power and money. Of course they'll use this situation to try and push through other reforms that they wanted to do, but would have had no support. What's that saying - never let a good crisis go to waste!

If we had police numbers that could deal with parties and mass gatherings we wouldn't need marshals.

A police officer on the radio earlier said "We already have to decide between the house break-in, the stabbing and the person who has been mugged so it's not that we're choosing to ignore parties, we just don't have the manpower"

The problem will be that the people who will want to be marshalls won't be level headed people. They'll be idiots like my neighbour who was 100% convinced that when they brought in the restrictions on numbers originally that meant someone would have to move out of my house otherwise it was "illegal" because there was too many of us.

funky You are ignoring the fundamental reason for the marshals, so intent on a bun fight about trivia it would seem.

The point is unless we enforce, tens of thousands of people WILL die, it is not a maybe/possibly/potentially. It is an absolute certainty.

So with this firmly in mind, we should embrace any measure that will ensure that as many lives as possible are saved.

If you feel the marshals continue long after the threat has passed, as a democracy you can vote to change the government, take the government to court, and multiple other avenues to get the marshals revoked, but for now this is absolutely essential for the safety of your family as well as mine as we are now entering such a critical stage.

Friendsoftheearth - I don’t agree with you.