Dance classes illegal from Monday?

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DD goes to ballet classes and there are more than 6 pupils all from different schools. Term only started this week. Assuming they will have to close down again now? Or is Ballet a "team sport" as exempted from the new rules?

So basically it seems that everyone can carry on doing as they choose, socialising with numerous others be it at the pub, gym, work, school, extra curricular activities/groups where far more than 2 households consisting of no more than 6 ppl meet together indoors etc etc you just cant invite your own family into your own home. What an utterly pointless rule!!

when it comes to anything indoor i think it will come down to whether or not the venue is 'covid secure'. Tends to involve risk assessments etc where private homes don't.

I've been wondering the same.. can yoga classes go ahead in a community centre? It's really unclear.

They need to make it clearer because otherwise anyone can take a football down the park and have a kick about and claim it’s an organised team sport. Or have a book club as suggested earlier.

My DH runs a walking group. We only started up again last month. We restricted numbers to 18 in 3 groups of 6. Whilst the 3 groups set off a few minutes apart with the fastest walkers in the front group and the slowest in the back group, we all meet at the same start point to do the same walk. It's not a team sport or even a sport but people need to do it for the sake of their health. We have a reserve list of people wanting to walk with us already. We're awaiting guidance from the Ramblers associate (even though we're not actually affiliated to them).

association.
The 3 groups of 6 could meet in the pub but may not be able to go walking!

@bigbluebus yes, but in a pub they would be 3 separate bookings on 3 tables at least 2m apart. So technically not “meeting together”.

Put a till in your front room and call yourself a pub

@Snailsetssail - our groups of 6 set off 2 mins apart and don't catch each other up as we send the fastest walkers out first - so always in groups of no more than 6. It's just that it is organised by one person so would be classed as an organised event of 18 people. The only time all 18 would be together is on a very large open air car park at the start of the walk. When we did it last month everyone was socially distanced from other households. We also wipe any gates we go through to minimise risk.

One of the fitness industry bodies have just announced that numbers are not capped to 6 in gym classes, and they'll be releasing a statement shortly to clarify. So it's good news for that.

My gym has confirmed that their existing COVID precautions mean they will carry on unchanged

It's bloody boris confusing everyone, he doesn't have a clue what he's saying. You can do this, but you then cant. Blah blah.

Glad these classes are unaffected

Well its probably not a good idea to put in an order for a big turkey for Christmas or Thanksgiving.

I do think/hope the intention is to give the police/licensing authority powers to disperse/fine/close down big protests/raves/overcrowded pubs and extended 'family' gatherings that are quite clearly annoying neighbours... The 6 o'clock news has mentioned "Covid Marshalls"...

I think we have 12 cases per 100,000 in my local authority.

Crochet groups might have to sit on tables of six and communicate by Zoom!

I suspect what they really are trying to get at are large gatherings that are completely “social”. Parties, basically.

@Chachacha90
Phew!

If the activity has a national body, they will need to rule on permissibility and safety of activities

If yo're the activity leader, and don't have a governing body, then you'll need to talk to your insurer. Don't carry on unless you are sure they agree you fall within the rules and therefore are continuing cover.

If the activity has a national body, they will need to rule on permissibility and safety of activities
If yo're the activity leader, and don't have a governing body, then you'll need to talk to your insurer. Don't carry on unless you are sure they agree you fall within the rules and therefore are continuing cover.
HOGWASH

I understand it is only social activities that are restricted.
This is work (for the teacher), and sport/education for the children.
However, I guess it depends on a) the teacher and b) the venue.

Could you explain what you think is hogwash, and post a more accurate version of the role of governing bodies in laying down the Covid-secure pathways to return? And why the existing policies will not need review in light of these new measures (even if all that review says is 'no change needed')

And what is wrong with checking your insurance will actually cover you? For example, earlier on (ie before this rule change) Pilates instructors were covered to work in studios with Covid precautions, but not in their own home studios (initially at least) or in clients homes. If there are no governing body policies to follow, surely it's better to check your cover beforehand (removing risk of nasty shock if there is any form of incident).

Glacinda
Have you actually read what the Government have said.
Stop gold plating it and making stuff up.

There is little or no way you could prove that somebody who goes to restaurants, pubs, shops, work, the park, a gym, an art class
caught it on any day at any place

I think Listening means that, if you are a club/sport that buys their insurance through a governing body/gets insurance subject to following guidelines, you should wait to see what their guidance is.

Local community halls are going to have a busy weekend trying to figure out what they can/can't do.

@SqidgeBum

If people can go to a gym class but I cant go to my crochet class I am gonna be pi**ed. I dont get why sporty hobbies are ok but non sporty ones wouldnt be. There is literally no difference in risk. If anything, sweating and puffing in a room for an hour is worse than sitting learning how to do a new stitch.

Completely agree. It is so fucking predictable that a bunch of public school educated elites have decided to explicitly exempt "team sports" from the new guidelines, without any consideration of the many other guided activities and groups that are essential to people's physical and emotional health.

I’m unsure about gym classes. In Boris speech, He says about gyms there can be more than six in the building but groups can’t be bigger than 6. Which suggests only 5 participants and an instructor per class?

I’m meant to be going to a jewellery making class next week and the woman has emailed and said it’s fine to go ahead with 15 people because it’s a business. 🤷‍♀️

Here we are in black and white. Good news for most things I think. Cut and paste from www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

2.10 WHEN CAN I GATHER IN GROUPS OF MORE THAN 6?
If you live in a household with more than 6 people, you can continue to gather in and attend all settings together. This same applies for your support bubbles. All venues should continue to accomodate groups larger than 6 who live together or are in the same support bubble to gather in and use their services and venues.
There will be exceptions where groups can be larger than 6 people, including:
where everyone lives together or is in the same support bubble, or to continue existing arrangements where children do not live in the same household as both their parents
for work, and voluntary or charitable services
for education, training, or registered childcare (including wraparound care)
fulfilling legal obligations such as attending court or jury service
providing emergency assistance, or providing support to a vulnerable person
for you or someone else to avoid illness, injury or harm
participate in children’s playgroups
wedding and civil partnership ceremonies and receptions, or for other religious life-cycle ceremonies – where up to 30 people will be able to attend
funerals – where up to 30 people will be able to attend
organised indoor and outdoor sports, physical activity and exercise classes (see the list of recreational team sports, outdoor sport and exercise allowed under the gyms and leisure centre guidance)
youth groups or activities
elite sporting competition or training
protests and political activities organised in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance and subject to strict risk assessments