WHO expect pandemic to be over in 2 years

[mummabear1967]

www.itv.com/news/2020-08-21/world-health-organization-chief-hopes-coronavirus-pandemic-will-be-over-in-two-years

Even if this pandemic does run into 2022, we won’t be stuck with restrictions until then, right? We will be back to normality to some extent? Not sure I could deal with another two years of this crap.

@kittensarecute
Uncontrolled virus. I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure. I'm not living like this for two years.

Covid19 has taken the lives of people’s loved ones. That is in no way comparable to you having to social distance. Those people have to live with their grief forever.

We can't carry on like this for two years.

The impact on children and young people seems to be a non issue to many people and I don't understand that at all.

Yes previous generations had shit to deal with but the pulling together of communities gave people a shared sense of purpose etc

You see pics of kids playing out on bombed buildings etc

The total loss of most real life social connections should not be underestimated.

You see the sort of thing like AldiAisleofCrap's post.

Mental health issues are through the roof especially for the young.

This is non trivial and will result in extra lives being lost. Probably already has.

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]@kittensarecute
Uncontrolled virus. I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure. I'm not living like this for two years.

Covid19 has taken the lives of people’s loved ones. That is in no way comparable to you having to social distance. Those people have to live with their grief forever.[/quote]
Of course, you are quite right. I apologise for my selfishness x

@RoseAndRose

Well, which wouid you rather do?

Social distancing or uncontrolled virus?

Social distancing does nothing. Do you catch Influenza every year? How many times have you caught Influenza? Covid 19 has very sadly mainly shortened the lives of people who were the weakest in our society. It's done its worst. It won't get stronger. It will get weaker. The people catching it now are able to shrug it off with very few symptoms. The virus is doing nothing very unusual. There will be no second spike. If you were frightened by the media, have you not seen the media recently? Four times as many are dying of dementia than Covid. Did you believe the media then but not now?

We can’t live a “normal life” with the threat of the virus running wild though. Remember how scary things felt before lockdown, when cases were going up and up every day. Imagine that being reported in the hundreds of thousands, then the millions, within a matter of days. How the heck can society go on as normal with that going on around us? Do you think people/businesses could just carry on and ignore it?

Just googled, this is a govt report extract:

'There is a concerning signal that child suicide deaths may have increased during the first 56 days of
lockdown, but risk remains low and numbers are too small to reach definitive conclusions. Amongst
the likely suicide deaths reported after lockdown, restriction to education and other activities,
disruption to care and support services, tensions at home and isolation appeared to be contributing
factors. Previous research has highlighted suicide risk in people with autism. We found a quarter of
individuals both pre and post lockdown had ASD or ADHD'

Children committing suicide is rare but early indications are it may have increased due to covid.

These are also lives being lost.

I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure.

that sounds quite dramatic! I don’t think it is too much of an a problem to continue some form of social
Distancing indefinitely. So seeing friends and family = ok, but sitting next to a stranger in a bus/at the theatre/down the pub is not ok. Social distancing doesn’t have to mean zero social contact, just reduced social contact.

It’s a shit sandwich for sure. But suicides and non Covid deaths are unlikely to vanish in the event of an uncontrolled virus running wild and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

@Whatthebloodyell

I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure.

that sounds quite dramatic! I don’t think it is too much of an a problem to continue some form of social
Distancing indefinitely. So seeing friends and family = ok, but sitting next to a stranger in a bus/at the theatre/down the pub is not ok. Social distancing doesn’t have to mean zero social contact, just reduced social contact.

Public transport and theatres can’t run at reduced capacity “indefinitely” though. They can’t afford it.

@mummabear1967

When this pandemic does end, what happens to the virus? Is it likely just to become a normal seasonal illness just like the cold and flu? So in years to come, if you have coronavirus, it won’t be something you need to self isolate for? Because we don’t self isolate as such for the common cold

The virus is constantly mutating and it is mutating to be weaker. It will weaken and become a threat to the vulnerable like any other Influenza during flu season.

I think the estimate 2 years is ok. We've already done 6 months.

I'm hoping that the upcoming winter season isn't going to show a massive spike. I'm already reading reports of kids in primary schools testing positive and they've only been back for just over a week. I can see blended learning taking place from October onwards.

Spanish flu died out as you either survived it or didn't so heard immunity developed. I dint realise until researching today that the second wave killed young healthy people and they predict covid 19 to do the same ☹

@Ugzbugz

Spanish flu died out as you either survived it or didn't so heard immunity developed. I dint realise until researching today that the second wave killed young healthy people and they predict covid 19 to do the same ☹

But then other scientists believe Covid will be just one ongoing wave. Did they not think Spanish flu had gone and so went back to normal when it hadn’t? We know so much more now about infectious diseases and how to control them

It's a balancing act between:

Stopping the NHS being overwhelmed

And

The societal impact. I've read about concerns about increased DV and CSA. Mental health issues. Economy tanking and what that means for the future.

Human beings are social animals. This is very abnormal for us, it goes against our deepest instincts

I think a fair amount of posters on MN are in a family situation. They have company.

However many people live alone. Many people live in desperately inadequate housing. Many people live on the edge financially and this will push then under. I worry about teens having the normal developmental separation from parents interrupted. Even the pubs. Loads of single older people (mainly men) have the pub as their second home. They would never arrange to meet these people otherwise, but they go to the pub and see their mates and have a bit of chat and that keeps the loneliness at bay.

This illness is not an issue for most people. The balance needs to be kept in consideration. Because if we totally knacker the economy and the mental health/ social development of a whole generation of children, the impact of that could be worse.

You don’t need to guess at the numbers of children’s and adolescents’ lives lost due to lockdown nicegerbil. Death figures by age are published weekly by the ONS, showing clearly that young people’s deaths have been noticeably below average for week after week after week.

Oh lord I just switched to the v festival on BBC.

Massive crowds dancing so happily.

We have lost so much, we really have. Different personalities like different things. Like the simple thing of going out for music and dancing, and the simple joy that brings to so many people. For some people, that is what they live for, their love.

The guilt trips are so dismissive of the enormous sacrifices being made.

kittensarecute Fri 21-Aug-20 23:13:42
RoseAndRose

Well, which wouid you rather do?

Social distancing or uncontrolled virus?

Uncontrolled virus. I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure. I'm not living like this for two years.
.......
Blimey, it's only been since March! That's not long to have destroyed your life.

Restrictions are looser now and loosening more here in the UK, people are getting together, even going away. It's not too bad and will be even better in a couple of weeks. when the government talks about 'two years' , they mean by two years Covid-19 will no longer be a major cause for concern.

I'm so sorry it has been hard for you but, honestly, it's a short time in the scheme of things. Take heart.

I'm not guessing funny, the above was an extract from a govt study.

@RaspberryRuff yes agreed and guess officially we dont know where it went or has it gone? Nobody knows how covid 19 will Mutate or die out, it may not.

It's the no light at the end of the tunnel and everyone presuming life will be back to normal by next April, I cant see it myself unless we all decide just to live and fuck the consequences

[quote mummabear1967]@kittensarecute it’s horrible and I wish I could just go to sleep tonight and wake up in the morning for all this to be gone and it’s such a pain but SD is for the best. It’s not practical at all and it’s impossible at times but it’s for the best for now to try and stop the spread of this bloody virus[/quote]
The Pandemic is virtually over now in the United Kingdom. What's happening with cases rising but very few deaths means it's done its worst. People have got to try and understand what all the data from around the world has been screaming out for months. Coronavirus is a nasty flu for mainly the elderly and the very unwell. It killed the weakest and now it's infecting the strongest. It is so simple. I've been telling anyone who will take notice the same thing for months. I'm right.

I am still waiting for a second spike in the death rate. Infection rates are going up but death rates not yet. Perhaps the virus is getting weaker or the weak are already dead. If there is no second spike this winter, I will take the risk of an uncontrolled virus over the alternative.

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]@kittensarecute
Uncontrolled virus. I cannot and will not accept social distancing for much longer, it has destroyed my life and taken away everything that brings me pleasure. I'm not living like this for two years.

Covid19 has taken the lives of people’s loved ones. That is in no way comparable to you having to social distance. Those people have to live with their grief forever.[/quote]
It sadly killed the weakest in society. People who want to live a full and free life should just put up with damaging restrictions? Using the grief of others to shame the healthy is a truly awful thing to do.

I hate SD, masks and wish nothing more than we were back to normal and not having to think about any of this shite. I am so over it, I really am.

But honestly if the virus was uncontrolled do people really think folk would be choosing to gather at festivals etc when there were hundreds of thousands of people being struck down by the virus daily and doubling every few days?

I do agree we need to lift restrictions carefully to help us get back to a semblance of normal as people can’t live this way forever, it’s damaging on so many levels. But we saw how quickly doing nothing causes infections to rise. We can’t risk that either, that won’t make life better for anyone.

Yikes, @KilljoysDutch ! Sorry for being so selfish...?! I didn't realise my vague attempts at positivity were responsible for furthering the spread of the virus !