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New study shows the huge role children play in spreading Covid

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Worriedmum999 · 20/08/2020 08:55

Biggest study so far on the role of children in spreading Covid has come out today. Surely this has massive implications on children going back to school as normal. It’s very concerning. news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/looking-at-children-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

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ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 12:31

How does Part time school work

  • for working parents (particularly keyworkers)
  • for siblings
  • for school transport (pay £800 a year for the school bus but only use it every other day)
  • for kids who forget to turn up on the right day
  • for closing the rapidly widening education gap

sorry but all kids back on day 1, no ifs no buts.

Morfin · 22/08/2020 12:33

@ChubbyPigeon

If we go into schools pretending children up to 18 cant spread the virus its going to end up being more disruptive for children. Your going to have random groups of children missing 2 weeks of education, random teachers going off

Schools and hairdressers are not the same. Hairdressers you have maybe 4 clients in at once, all can wash hands/wear masks, chairs wiped down between clients. Adults dont touch their mouth/dribble in the same way children do. Teenagers all bundling each other/kissing each other etc. Teenagers touch each other a lot, way more than adults.

Hospitals are not even the same, waiting rooms are socially distanced, clinic rooms are kept minimal to allow ease of wiping down. Everyone wearing masks, chairs/door handles etc. All wiped down constantly. Clinic rooms disinfected between each patient. Clinicians wearing PPE. Hand sanitising everywhere, our hospitals have put in additional sinks to allow handwashing plus a good supply of disposible masks

A ward has less people on it than a year group. And even then the staff are wearkng PPE, constant hand washing, proper cleaning beds between patients, no/limited visitors. A hospital has less mixing of people than a school, and a hospital is much better at infection control in general.

Does no one remember norovirus outbreaks in school when you were children? Once there was only 4 of us in the class because everyone got bloody noro. Even secondary children would be running out of assembly to vom etc. At least in hospitals you can isolate wards

Your going to have random groups of children missing 2 weeks of education, random teachers going

People are underestimating how disruptive this will be, remember all the research when a child goes on a 2 week holiday, there is v little support on MN for missing school for holidays. But this won't be one holiday or a few children but several instances of missing children home with very little support as the teachers will be teaching full time in school. Knowledge is built on throughout the term, kids are going to have massive knowledge gaps and there are no official plans on how to support them.

twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 12:35

@ListeningQuietly

Better than the no school at all when you have to isolate repeatedly / the teacher does!

Morfin · 22/08/2020 12:35

@ListeningQuietly

How does Part time school work
  • for working parents (particularly keyworkers)
  • for siblings
  • for school transport (pay £800 a year for the school bus but only use it every other day)
  • for kids who forget to turn up on the right day
  • for closing the rapidly widening education gap

sorry but all kids back on day 1, no ifs no buts.

Don't worry you will get you wish on day 1. It's day 20/day 30 that I'm worried about. No ifs or buts 😂
randomsabreuse · 22/08/2020 13:21

Testing for symptoms is not a 2 week isolation. If you're lucky on timing (and have access to a car) you can be back in next day if well/random temperature... 2 week isolation is for contact/positive test in household, rather than symptoms and whole house isolation.

There needs to be a plan for well students who are isolating...

Full social distancing isn't half time attendance, probably no better than 3 days a fortnight. Is half time safe enough to justify the issues it would cause?

Absolutely there should be appropriate remote provision set up, with a strong expectation that those who do not attend in person will fully engage with it, on pain of fines/deregistration.

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 14:31

Watch this video and then justify denying those children more time in school
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/education-53810113

twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 14:38

The only people wanting to 'deny' children if time in school are those who want them to go back with no measures in place to deal with this horrible virus.

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 14:53

Who, anywhere, is suggesting no measures in place ?

Measures are in place up and down the country.

Keeping children out of school will do more long term harm to them and their families
than having them in lessons and getting regular meals.

twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 15:12

There will be few in school though. Which will mean they won't all be back full time for long

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 15:19

There will be few in school though.
Really, what give you that impression?

ineedaholidaynow · 22/08/2020 15:20

Many schools have the policy that even if you have a negative test result you stay off school until symptoms go, so it will be more than 1 day off school.

Shitfuckoh · 22/08/2020 15:22

@ineedaholidaynow

Many schools have the policy that even if you have a negative test result you stay off school until symptoms go, so it will be more than 1 day off school.
1 of our schools now as the policy that any sign of illness, no matter what it is, you stay off until symptoms have gone. Kind of worried to be honest, with 3 DC in the house a sniffle seems to do the rounds constantly between October and March Confused
twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 15:40

@ListeningQuietly

Sorry if that wasn't clear - few measures to make schools COVID secure.

We can't effectively SD, all we have is increased hygiene - if you can afford to buy the extra soap, sanitizer, paper towels etc that the government won't pay for.

Sending all kids back with few if any measures in place will mean interrupted education.

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 15:49

COVID secure is just bilge though
its made up as they go along

a kid could have covid for two weeks with not a single symptom
you'd never know

as could an adult in an office
or a team member in a supermarket

schools need to set in place rules and systems to minimise all infections passing around

  • hand washing
  • possibly masks in corridors and assembly
  • one way systems if possible

but beyond that, the reality is that children have already missed months of support
it is not good for them or their families to keep them disrupted

twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 16:23

But that's the point - it will be disrupted!

And of course teachers and their families matter not a jot!

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 16:26

Teachers and their families will be affected through their own children
during the 18 hours a day they are not in school.

Schools are opening up around the world.
Lets look and learn from those that are coping well
(eg Germany)

twinkletoesimnot · 22/08/2020 16:37

^Teachers and their families will be affected through their own children
during the 18 hours a day they are not in school^

Biscuit

Yeah you definitely know what you are talking about .........

You can't argue with stupid!

guilttripjourno · 22/08/2020 17:17

Germany - in Berlin 5% of schools impacted. Ditto Hamburg. If Germany can't control it, do you trust our buffoon to handle it.

ListeningQuietly · 22/08/2020 17:26

in Berlin 5% of schools impacted
define "impacted"

Please explain to me how COVID secure
will work when the kids get the same bus and go to the same playground after school
or when families have children at three different schools, sharing a supper table

or when teachers have their kids at two different schools than the one they teach in

its all just word soup
to make teachers feel guilty when cases occur
even if the transmission had nothing at all to do with the school

Shitfuckoh · 22/08/2020 17:41

@ListeningQuietly

in Berlin 5% of schools impacted define "impacted"

Please explain to me how COVID secure
will work when the kids get the same bus and go to the same playground after school
or when families have children at three different schools, sharing a supper table

or when teachers have their kids at two different schools than the one they teach in

its all just word soup
to make teachers feel guilty when cases occur
even if the transmission had nothing at all to do with the school

I for one won't be blaming the teachers, schools or the unions and I don't see why teachers would feel guilty. They have nothing at all to be guilty about. The government & DfE on the other hand...
Hyggefun · 22/08/2020 22:20

They are wearing masks in Berlin to move through the corridors and where distancing isn't possible. In the UK this would effectively, for most schools at least, be 100% of the time. There is talk of them having to wear masks more to try and reduce the risks. French school children are wearing masks and the Spanish teaching unions are threatening strikes unless plans are firmed up for better protective measures in their schools. We meanwhile think a few staggered starts might make everything okay.

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