Safe to reopen schools

[askmehowiknow]

Article from oxford professor summarising new data that it's safe for children to be in school. Great pre September reading!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/18/children-covid-19-english-schools-virus-safe-reopening

news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/looking-at-children-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

This new study has huge implications for schools opening with hardly any mitigations.

askmehowiknow

I’ve seen some nonsense from you across this site but this post is really something and exposes just how deluded you are. Most of this is rabid Daily Mail lies.

It’s lowered my level of respect for you and your other posts. Thanks to everyone else for countering this hyperbole.

The risk to teachers is not acceptable with the measures they are putting into place in my opinion.
www.thecomet.net/news/henlow-teacher-caroline-coster-has-limbs-amputated-1-6754096

People WFH is going to become the norm for many jobs. DH’s company is definitely going down that route, planning to reduce the amount of office space they lease, more virtual meetings etc. That was not on their radar at the beginning of the year.

So why shouldn’t schools be looking at what has worked best through lockdown?

@askmehowiknow

Given the evidence that transmission is happening in Scottish schools, what's your magic answer to stopping spread to the community? Should I, as a teacher, stay away from the supermarket or gym to protect the general public, given that I have no protection myself? You seem very confident!

@askmehowiknow

I do think school and bubble closures will lessen over the next few months. As everything settles down and we work out better systems, have better testing etc.

It was a big mistake imo to delay reopening schools until September when we know there will likely be a spike in cases in autumn/winter. Was crazy not to reopen fully in June and get some real experience/data.

It is reassuring the evidence is pointing to the fact this won't be due to schools reopening though. And as the professor says, closing them again should be a last resort.

The government will have to hold its nerve though as the unions will be shouting very loudly for closure as we see community cases rise I have no doubt.

2 things BoJo won't be able to ignore though are the economy (parents needing to work). And how difficult it appears to be to reopen schools! So I can't see it happening ever again. Plus the unions are in an incredibly weak position, press and public not on side, and large rise in unemployment.

If the unions are in a weak position then why would the government need to hold their nerve against them? You're talking nonsense.

Oh god Jelly that story is awful. That poor woman.

I find it so sad that people are so worried about their jobs that they have no concern for the health and welfare of anyone else. I know jobs equal surviving. But it still saddens me how many mners don't give a single thought for anyone else.

[quote JellyBelly78]The risk to teachers is not acceptable with the measures they are putting into place in my opinion.
www.thecomet.net/news/henlow-teacher-caroline-coster-has-limbs-amputated-1-6754096[/quote]
I wonder how many other stories like this there are, it’s not just about the death rate it’s the health of those that recover after.

Exactly @IceCreamAndCandyfloss. What has happened to that woman is truly terrible and yet she won't be included in any measure or statistic about the affect nor impact of Covid-19.

@Kitcat122

I find it so sad that people are so worried about their jobs that they have no concern for the health and welfare of anyone else. I know jobs equal surviving. But it still saddens me how many mners don't give a single thought for anyone else.

This is nonsense.

It isn't health or economy, it is health and economy.

The reason the UK economy is so badly affected is in part because we so badly fucked up our virus response. Repeating that error won't help.

If schools close due to outbreaks, how does that help the economy or working parents?

Sorry @Kitcat122 I think I totally misread your post, so I rather jumped without grounds!

Please accept as apology

@Iamnotthe1

Exactly *@IceCreamAndCandyfloss*. What has happened to that woman is truly terrible and yet she won't be included in any measure or statistic about the affect nor impact of Covid-19.

It is truly terrible, however she contracted sepsis. Hundreds of thousands contract sepsis every year in the uk from many different causes. Covid is now another virus that can cause this. Tens of thousands of people die from sepsis each year and I would imagine there are many people who also have life changing outcomes.

@BellaintheWychElm

You're right that it was sepsis. And that it was sepsis that she developed as a direct result of her having Covid-19. So the dangers of reopening without mitigations in place don't just include bad cases of coronavirus but also other risks such as sepsis, lung damage, etc.

Oh look. Another study showing that children carry higher levels of Covid. Just imagine the viral load in a poorly ventilated classroom, and many teachers are even expected to stay in those classrooms to supervise lunch breaks.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-live-uk-update-cases-deaths-lockdown-covid-test-today-latest-a9679081.html

Can someone please link me to where unions are saying school shouldn't open? An actual statement by a union not a second hand tabloid version? I'm struggling to find one...

@askmehowiknow could you please? As I can see you know...

@FlySheMust

I can't believe you are still giving credence to the report. Where is your critical thinking? It is flawed. Stop pretending it isn't, it makes you look a bit simple.

Well it's a well written and researched opinion. Based on evidence.

Are you instead suggesting a few posters on mumsnet know better!

Where's your critical thinking?

Christ ask, is someone new at your account today or is the bot just glitching? This has already been covered. Read your own sodding thread.

What other job could they do if they are too feeble to do the one they currently have?

I'm a chartered civil engineer specialising in waste management, so there's always that.

@askmehowiknow

Where's your critical thinking?

Where are your answer to the questions further up? We're all asking you how you know about the union stuff, but you're ignoring the questions and just spouting the same stuff.

Well it's a well written and researched opinion. Based on evidence

No, it really isn’t.

When you were asked specifically what reassured you in the article OP, you said you guess that children not transmitting it is good news.

It does not say this.

I don't think we are the ones lacking critical skills.

@Appuskidu

Well it's a well written and researched opinion. Based on evidence

No, it really isn’t.

Well the guardian disagrees I guess. What would they know compared to you though!

No one needs to be reassured that reopening schools will be safe. I'm ok with you not being reassured by a summary of the evidence by an Oxford Professor in paediatrics.

If you think you know better than him that's ok! We are all entitled to our opinions.

Hopefully some will be reassured that read the article though. Which is why I shared it

It's not a summary of the evidence. Although now at least you took the word all out.

Tell me once again what specifically reassures you in the actual article? I am beginning to think it's two words : Oxford and professor.

[quote SaltyAndFresh]@askmehowiknow

Given the evidence that transmission is happening in Scottish schools, what's your magic answer to stopping spread to the community? Should I, as a teacher, stay away from the supermarket or gym to protect the general public, given that I have no protection myself? You seem very confident![/quote]
Maybe just stay away from the parties aye Salty