Teenagers in cluster from house party at Coatbridge

[Nellodee]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53804140

So it looks like 14 school aged teenagers (it's not clear if they are all school aged, but it sounds like at least 8 are) have contracted coronavirus through being at a house party.

It seems pretty obvious to me that older school kids can both contract and transmit Covid. This does not sound at all like adults passing the virus to kids, this sounds like a super spreading event caused by lots of teenagers indoors in close proximity.

Like they would now be at school...

Oh indoors and in close proximity just as will be the case with some of our secondary schools. Interesting....

And people wonder what is going to happen in schools here in September.
Just reading a parent from one pupil who has now has to isolate as been saying next to one of these pupils. Been very careful all the way through and now at home hoping they haven’t contracted it.

Sitting next to

Sounds like the inevitable consequence of telling young people that they have to be sequestered away for months on end.

I allowed my DS to have a party here on 4th July because his 18th b'day went unmarked (by his friends, out of necessity) in June.

There were 16 of his friends here.

Nobody has come down with Covid since then. In fact, there have only been 20 cases in our entire location since March, and they were all in March/April.

Indoors but potentially in a much smaller air space than at school, possibly much less social distancing. It also doesn't mention if alcohol was a factor, passing a cigarette around, etc.

CrunchyNutNC you're right. Totally different from a school. Mhm.

@nogoodsolution

Sounds like the inevitable consequence of telling young people that they have to be sequestered away for months on end.

I allowed my DS to have a party here on 4th July because his 18th b'day went unmarked (by his friends, out of necessity) in June.

There were 16 of his friends here.

Nobody has come down with Covid since then. In fact, there have only been 20 cases in our entire location since March, and they were all in March/April.

Nobody has symptoms that you are aware of. As has been reported in the press there are plenty of cases where people have no symptoms but test positive. 🤦‍♂️

Ordering young people to give up socialising indefinitely to protect other people was never going to work.

Yes, obviously, @CherieBabySpliffUp

However, these are young people. My oldest has been at home from boarding school since March. Teenagers have paid a horrendous price for something that, on the whole, doesn't affect them.

If any of my 18 yr old's friends had vulnerable family at home, they wouldn't have come. However, I have known all these people since my children were toddlers, They are not strangers. One of his friends didn't come because his dad is vulnerable.

They all 'get' this. However, they should not live in purdah now, if they can do otherwise reasonably safely.

My risk assessment is that these young people will be going to university in a few weeks' time. They will then have to make their own risk assessments. Their risk of being run over is arguably greater than their risk of contracting or passing on Covid.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and exercise a bit of common sense.

@Nellodee

CrunchyNutNC you're right. Totally different from a school. Mhm.

It doesn't specify that it wasn't a dozen teenagers in someone's front room or a bedroom. Most smoking we did at school was out in the fresh air at the back of the playing field.

I'm more thinking, Crunchy, that we have had people for weeks saying that there isn't a SINGLE known case of ANY child anywhere passing on Covid to another child and that the risk of transmission in schools is tiny. If this story is true (and there is absolutely no reason it wouldn't be) it puts that to bed once and for all. It doesn't matter whether this was in a kitchen, or a school corridor, or if the kids were passing a cigarette, or a lip balm. It makes no odds. They transmit, they contract, indoors, at parties, at schools.

I think in those cases, child means under 11/12. After that, you're more of a young adult/teenager.

I think the consensus was that primary school is probably much safer than secondary.

I think that there is an argument that we have not seen many clusters forming in children under 10, IsaLain, but there are numerous Mumsnetters who will swear black is white than no-one under the age of 18 has ever transmitted the virus because they read some article in the Times that said this was true.

news.stv.tv/west-central/primary-school-pupil-tests-positive-for-coronavirus?top

Oh FFS. No one said primary kids dont catch it. We've said they dont seem to be spreading it. They dont seem to have as high a viral load, they dont seem to be passing it on to other people as much.

They are alright for herd immunity. Don't worry.

Don’t worry, schools are magic antivirus places where Coronovirus doesn’t transmit...

@Hmmph the magic hasn't started yet. DC and I have been doing some volunteer work in a school these last few weeks with SD, but when DC go there in 3 weeks the magic will have arrived because they won't have to SD then!

"Study of 23 children with #COVID19. Infectious virus successfully isolated from 12 (52%); probably an underestimate because leftover, reduced-quality samples used. Youngest child 7 days old. Viral load was similar to adults. Children shed infectious virus."
mobile.twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1278350818291314689

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-2403_article?deliveryName=USCDC_333-DM32083

"Even if most children do not seem to become seriously ill with #COVID19, they likely play a role in community transmission.

Children may have many more contacts than adults (particularly at school) which might offset any reduced tendency to transmit the virus."
mobile.twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1286985284102443008

@Persephonecall

Like they would now be at school...

Well presumably they would have been before they realised they were positive.

I got a lot closer to people at house parties as a teenager than I ever did at school.

@CrunchyNutNC

Indoors but potentially in a much smaller air space than at school, possibly much less social distancing. It also doesn't mention if alcohol was a factor, passing a cigarette around, etc.

That's a relief. It must have been the alcohol so there's absolutely no chance they could have spread it in a school setting

Oh God, this is ridiculous.

We all need to learn to live with Covid in this same way that we live with meningitis (every parent's real fear: why are we not so worried about this? Because it only really affects young people? FFS).

There is so much bonkers thinking about Covid. It's unreal.

Schools should never have been shut. Children should have done their public exams as normal (I have two DC who have done A levels and GCSEs). I have one who had 4 x A* even under the flawed system. Now he's upset because he feels his results have been diminished by everyone else being given their predictions.

I am mightily fed up with Covid, face masks, and any other bollocks.

I hope alcohol wasn't involved with the Primary school children