Teenagers in cluster from house party at Coatbridge

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53804140

So it looks like 14 school aged teenagers (it's not clear if they are all school aged, but it sounds like at least 8 are) have contracted coronavirus through being at a house party.

It seems pretty obvious to me that older school kids can both contract and transmit Covid. This does not sound at all like adults passing the virus to kids, this sounds like a super spreading event caused by lots of teenagers indoors in close proximity.

@starrynight19

How are they sitting more than 1m apart. There will be no social distancing in school. The problem being those who want things to go back to ‘normal’ because they have had enough. If we go back to ‘normal’ schools will close.

Yes! This is the point many are missing.

@HesterShaw1

How is it fair to expect kids and young people to give up their social lives and education indefinitely for a virus that doesn't make them ill on the whole?

Do people honestly think that older adults would uncomplainingly do the same for them? Stop all their clubs, their work, their social contacts, visits, travel...? For something that barely touches their age group?

I don’t think anyone is advocating they give up socialising and education. In the same way I don’t think many people, even teachers are suggesting schools don’t reopen at all.

But the reality of the situation is that you aren’t likely to be able to have both. Children socialising outside of school without SD in mixed groups is going to lead to the shutting of classes, bubbles of whole schools for short periods. And if you’re happy to allow that socialising in a situation that is high risk for transmission, you don’t really have a leg to stand on if you want to complain about your child’s education being disrupted. That’s just the price you pay.

You do have to feel sorry for those kids who have done absolutely everything right and are now having their schooling disrupted because of other people’s parenting choices. And the teachers who are going to end up trying to provide on,une and inschool learning at the same time.

🤣 now if only all other buildings could harness the magic of secondary school buildings. Then everyone else could carry on as normal without the need to wear masks or SD.

@nogoodsolution

Oh God, this is ridiculous.

We all need to learn to live with Covid in this same way that we live with meningitis (every parent's real fear: why are we not so worried about this? Because it only really affects young people? FFS).

There is so much bonkers thinking about Covid. It's unreal.

Schools should never have been shut. Children should have done their public exams as normal (I have two DC who have done A levels and GCSEs). I have one who had 4 x A* even under the flawed system. Now he's upset because he feels his results have been diminished by everyone else being given their predictions.

I am mightily fed up with Covid, face masks, and any other bollocks.

Are you genuinely comparing your DC's teenage pout about not being seen as quite as brilliant with his 4 A* to teachers who have been shielding until 2 weeks ago being put in a situation where their lives are at risk?

@nogoodsolution what type of school were your kids at? State or independent? All you have to worry about is your dear child's sulk that their 4 A*s aren't as exclusive as they had hoped. You're fed up with it all, well boohoo!

@RubyMuseday

Open with them more than 1m apart is what if prefer. I think some of us share views more than we realise.

I think more parents belive in what I'm saying than they realise. I think many have been seduced by the propaganda and the desire to return to normal.

Too much thought about actual contact I think - you don't need to snog someone or share a cigarette in order to breathe in particles left in the air by them.
I've been surprised to see no older students in masks to be honest. Even to protect adults, it would be nice.
The idea that a teenager wouldn't be badly affected by a parent, grandparent or teacher being seriously ill is daft.

[quote mrshoho]**@nogoodsolution* what type of school were your kids at? State or independent? All you have to worry about is your dear child's sulk that their 4 As aren't as exclusive as they had hoped. You're fed up with it all, well boohoo![/quote]
And their kid didn't actually get those results, they were a best guess, they could have fucked it up on the day.

@HesterShaw1

Ordering young people to give up socialising indefinitely to protect other people was never going to work.

This. And it never will. End of WWI, known pandemic of a disease that actually did kill young people in great numbers, streets thronging with soldiers and other young people celebrating.

Lockdowns don't work, expecting young people to behave like 50-year-old en masse (and I know plenty of 50-year-olds whose behaviour is worse than my teens'), especially for a virus that by and large doesn't kill them (or kill most who do get it) isn't going to work.

Wake up, people! They're fed up having their entire lives thrown under a bus for this.

@BikeTyson

dontforgetthebubbles.com/evidence-summary-paediatric-covid-19-literature/

This site is a good summary/literature review of the studies which have been carried out so far. More meaningful than looking at individual studies in isolation.

Concludes (among other things) that staff to student and staff to staff transmission is more likely than student to staff. I hope teachers will be wearing masks in the staffroom.

We are, yes.

Do people honestly think that older adults would uncomplainingly do the same for them? Stop all their clubs, their work, their social contacts, visits, travel...? For something that barely touches their age group?

Fuck no! Older adults were the ones who by and large got Brexit passed, talk about a shower of shite for the younger generation. Would they fuck! Please! They'd instead rain abuse at them, call them snowflakes, say they had to walk uphill both ways through snow for 10 kilometres to school every day, paid 20% on their mortgages for the duration of the loan, took on £100k debt to go to uni . . .

Yes. I'm not keen on generation bashing...but this is the generation who are making a fuss about paying for a TV licence.

Lockdowns don't work, expecting young people to behave like 50-year-old en masse (and I know plenty of 50-year-olds whose behaviour is worse than my teens'), especially for a virus that by and large doesn't kill them (or kill most who do get it) isn't going to work.

Ok, let them party, but don't fucking whine when schools close again because they've passed Covid on to their peers and teachers. I won't be teaching in person or online if I'm I'll, and that will be the case until I fully recover.

Many Primary school teachers won't be getting anywhere near the staff room, they will be stuck with their class all day

@HesterShaw1

Yes. I'm not keen on generation bashing...but this is the generation who are making a fuss about paying for a TV licence.

disgusting age bashing right there.

Our staff room was closed when we opened in June.

Yeah I'm not going in the staffroom.

@SaltyAndFresh

Lockdowns don't work, expecting young people to behave like 50-year-old en masse (and I know plenty of 50-year-olds whose behaviour is worse than my teens'), especially for a virus that by and large doesn't kill them (or kill most who do get it) isn't going to work.

Ok, let them party, but don't fucking whine when schools close again because they've passed Covid on to their peers and teachers. I won't be teaching in person or online if I'm I'll, and that will be the case until I fully recover.

Righty-o, Salty (apt nickname there), I'm sure they'll be bothered. .

ScotsBaby2

Thanks, that’s good to know, it’s something I hadn’t seen mentioned anywhere.

Why would they not be bothered? A 13 year old might not be, but one with exams coming up would notice the lack of anyone teaching them.
If we are actually off sick (rather than isolating) there won't be any home learning set either.

@InDeoEstMeaFiducia they might be bothered if schools keep having to close due to staff shortages and they don't get the exams they need.

End of WWI, known pandemic of a disease that actually did kill young people in great numbers, streets thronging with soldiers and other young people celebrating.

A little less educated in viruses than today perhaps?

I think there are many young people who are intelligent, thoughtful and concerned about their health. The problem is they have to go to school with the ones not like that!

We also closed the staff room. No facilities for drinks or food - had to take a thermos and a cereal bar.
Although to be honest I can't remember the last time I stayed longer in the staffroom than the time it takes to make a cuppa. Too many duties to do, students to see, books to mark...

@latticechaos

End of WWI, known pandemic of a disease that actually did kill young people in great numbers, streets thronging with soldiers and other young people celebrating.

A little less educated in viruses than today perhaps?

I think there are many young people who are intelligent, thoughtful and concerned about their health. The problem is they have to go to school with the ones not like that!

They knew very well it was a highly contagious and virulent disease. It was well-known by then.

Being concerned about their health, indeed, about all of it, their mental and physical health has suffered a lot in this. There are even threads a plenty on here about all the overweight kids now.

Ah, the intelligence argument! Because intelligent teens never make huge mistakes or errors in judgement or do things that adults wouldn't approve of.

That's it, those in Coatbridge were just oiks, only neds would party 'in the middle of a pandemic'!

No social distancing between pupils at schools. In Scotland anyway. Has anyone looked at the UsforThem Facebook page, the Scottish one? Scary stuff! Echo chamber only ever reporting children don’t pass on the virus. Any opposing view shouted down and people asked to leave. I am dubious that there is some cut off at 18 where prior to that they are not contagious. But no it’s the “namby pamby unions” being ridiculous apparently?