Teenagers in cluster from house party at Coatbridge

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53804140

So it looks like 14 school aged teenagers (it's not clear if they are all school aged, but it sounds like at least 8 are) have contracted coronavirus through being at a house party.

It seems pretty obvious to me that older school kids can both contract and transmit Covid. This does not sound at all like adults passing the virus to kids, this sounds like a super spreading event caused by lots of teenagers indoors in close proximity.

Righty-o, Salty (apt nickname there)

Indeed. Glad you noticed.

There are lots of young people who have believed the message that anyone can die from it as though the tiny tiny number which have died in their age group are not statistical anomalies.

They are living their young lives in fear of something which is much less dangerous to them than crossing a road.

I was following the Welsh U4T page with growing horror, right up until they started sharing Breitbart articles and I couldn't stomach it any more.

@nogoodsolution well done to your son on a wonderful set of results. However I would be ashamed if my extremely able child had such little empathy.

@HesterShaw1

There are lots of young people who have believed the message that anyone can die from it as though the tiny tiny number which have died in their age group are not statistical anomalies.

They are living their young lives in fear of something which is much less dangerous to them than crossing a road.

My 7 and 10 year olds aren't leaving in fear. They do, however, understand that the risk increases with age and I encourage them to behave considerately.

I don't blame the teenagers for their house parties. They are quite apt in their thinking that if it's acceptable for them to be together for 5-6 hours inside a classroom with no masks or social distancing then why should it be any different in meeting up outside school?

@HesterShaw1

There are lots of young people who have believed the message that anyone can die from it as though the tiny tiny number which have died in their age group are not statistical anomalies.

They are living their young lives in fear of something which is much less dangerous to them than crossing a road.

But, Hester! You can now no longer make a decision, any decision, without considering the entirety of society and any decision you make that is not to directly serve that entirety is selfish.

My 84-year-old father put it best when my baby boomer aunt decried the 'selfishness' and 'irresponsibility' of young people today, 'You must have been too stoned between 1966-1976 to remember how much of it you spent 'sticking it to The Establishment', declaring society dead and telling us all what fogeys and suck ups we were.'

Guardian are reporting The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill changes course (Face to face teaching to all online)after coronavirus spreads during the first week of classes. 130 cases in a week (5 are from staff) caused by student housing, packed bars and off campus parties. That will be England in September!

With respect Salty, I'm not talking about your 7 and 10 year old.

I'm talking about teenagers who have had the kind of life we took for granted as teens completely and forcibly removed from them.

@HesterShaw1

With respect Salty, I'm not talking about your 7 and 10 year old.

I'm talking about teenagers who have had the kind of life we took for granted as teens completely and forcibly removed from them.

I'm referring to my 7 and 10 year olds' capacity to understand that they, personally, are not in imminent danger, because you said that teenagers 'are living their young lives in fear,' which is patently utter bollocks.

I've come to the conclusion that us4them must have an ulterior motive. They shout loudly that schools need to open as normal but in doing so will ultimately lead to them closing. If they really were interested in schools staying open they would be shouting for schools to be covid secure.

Very big difference between a 7 and 10 year old and 17/18/19 year olds, finishing school and having all those milestones taken away from them. It’s shit. Can’t blame them.

When mine were 7 and 10 they were so much more biddable. Now they have this annoying thing where they're able to think a lot more for themselves, one of them is even old enough to work and does.

Some people truly just want to watch the world burn.

I think lockdown would be easier for today's teenagers than for us (well my generation). I would have been alone in my room reading a book, or watching tv with the family on the one television.
My dc was playing xbox, snap chatting, going on Instagram, video calling his friends whenever he wanted, while watching movies on sky and Netflix.
I'm not saying it wasn't hard on them, but it was hard on adults too - and small children who couldn't understand why the playgrounds were locked up and the softplays shut.
Pandemics aren't easy, perhaps.

@mrshoho

I've come to the conclusion that us4them must have an ulterior motive. They shout loudly that schools need to open as normal but in doing so will ultimately lead to them closing. If they really were interested in schools staying open they would be shouting for schools to be covid secure.

They seem to hate teachers too, well a vocal minority. I was shocked at the reaction when a class (Senior school) was asked if they could wear masks in one lesson as the teacher was vulnerable. They were disgusted and determined that their children would not wear masks. This teacher was in the shielding category but now that that’s gone needs to go back to work.

Biddability (new word) is not what @HesterShaw1 nor I were referring to. It was this bullshit notion that teens have been loving in fear of their lives so why shouldn't they now kick back and have fun? They are fully capable of understanding that it's not thoernown loves that are most at risk. Please stop seeing what you want to see and read the actual words instead.

Oh my word. Please excuse my ridiculous typos.

@Mistressiggi

I think lockdown would be easier for today's teenagers than for us (well my generation). I would have been alone in my room reading a book, or watching tv with the family on the one television. My dc was playing xbox, snap chatting, going on Instagram, video calling his friends whenever he wanted, while watching movies on sky and Netflix. I'm not saying it wasn't hard on them, but it was hard on adults too - and small children who couldn't understand why the playgrounds were locked up and the softplays shut. Pandemics aren't easy, perhaps.

I'd have sneaked out and got into mischief, Mistress. I'm 50.

I think a lot of people have forgotten what it's like to be young.

@Mistressiggi this is true. It’s the ones sitting exams/school leavers that I feel for particularly. No end of school rites of passage. Gap year/freshers week cancelled/ No jobs. My younger teens haven’t been so bothered.

@SaltyAndFresh

Biddability (new word) is not what *@HesterShaw1* nor I were referring to. It was this bullshit notion that teens have been loving in fear of their lives so why shouldn't they now kick back and have fun? They are fully capable of understanding that it's not thoernown loves that are most at risk. Please stop seeing what you want to see and read the actual words instead.

So no teens at all have had their mental health compromised by this? Yeah, okay. They all completely understand, just like us adults, why can't they just act like adults?! Gees! Life would be so much easier. Of course, it's been floated on here often enough that it's perfectly fine to leave 11-year-olds home alone all day and home learning, too, because they're in secondary school.

Let's just go the whole hog and turn the clock back to the pre-Victorian times when children were just seen and treated like little adults. The Tories would like nothing better, put the poor ones to work full-time, too.

Seen Salty's lovely other thread, Hester? Great reading there.

I'm the same age and I wouldn't have, tbh.
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I think if I was a teenager, shortly to go into bubbles of hundreds, I'd think fuck it and not bother trying to distance from my friends or take many precautions now. If a more sensible plan was put in place for September, I may have thought differently. Wanting things to be ok and them actually being ok are very different things! Yes, we need to learn to live with Covid, but the current plans for schools, especially senior school are a crisis in waiting.

Seen Salty's lovely other thread, Hester? Great reading there.

I stand by it, particularly given the arguments.in this thread that teenagers should be given plenty of slack to party. Schools will let be able to stay open in those circumstances.

(schools will not be...)