School return will fail

[covidteacherscotland]

Okay so we have been back to school for a week! Great? No. Definitely not. Some thoughts on why this will be a disaster:

16 and 17 year olds are not children.

Social distancing is impossible. Genuinely impossible. Children will not or cannot stay out your space.

There is no PPE in school at all and staff are not protected in any way.

Children don't give a shit about washing their hands.

We've been doing double periods instead of single to minimise movement. This means that we are stuck in a room with 30 17 year olds with few or no windows as the respiratory droplets add up.

Educating your child is impossible if you can't go near them.

Our time management and pupil progress relies on us being able to give feedback to children formatively as we teach. To mark jotters as we go. We can't do this now.

I think that because infection is so low we'll be okay for a while - a few weeks - then the shit will hit the fan.

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie SengaStrawberry

Arsehole parents sending sick kids to school is going to be a problem in winter I fear sad

Ok and comments like this this are why teachers don't always get respect.

Ever considered the arsehole parents might be trying to keep their job? Pay their rent? Put food on the table?

Yes it's totally unacceptable and no I would never do it but it doesn't take a genius to realise why some parents do.

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/anger-child-goes-gloucester-nursery-4397248

One set parents have made it difficult for the parents and staff at this nursery to pay their bills.

Why do you think that its OK for one set of parents to do this to others.

Err like I've just said I don't think it's acceptable. I can understand why people do it though, you know, out of desperation ....

@TrustTheGeneGenie I'm not the boss 🤷🏿‍♀️ no idea

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie SengaStrawberry

Arsehole parents sending sick kids to school is going to be a problem in winter I fear sad

Ok and comments like this this are why teachers don't always get respect.

Ever considered the arsehole parents might be trying to keep their job? Pay their rent? Put food on the table?

Yes it's totally unacceptable and no I would never do it but it doesn't take a genius to realise why some parents do.

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/anger-child-goes-gloucester-nursery-4397248

One set parents have made it difficult for the parents and staff at this nursery to pay their bills.

Why do you think that its OK for one set of parents to do this to others.

Exactly that too @FrippEnos

@HateIsNotGood

aah, SAR has come up with the "fail to understand" standpoint, oft stated here. As I've pp'd above, I do "understand" having Guvved for a wide range of Schools. Eg - very acquainted with budgets, rules and regs.

The failure of 'understanding' rests more with the can't/won't crew rather than society's majorit which includes many teachers).

If that’s true you would understand that the grassroots teacher has no say as just has to follow what SLT says. It could be that in your gov meetings you were more interested in the choice of drinkies and nibbles

[quote covidteacherscotland]@TrustTheGeneGenie I'm not the boss 🤷🏿‍♀️ no idea [/quote]
No but surely youre concerned? I wouldn't be working Somewhere with no drinking water.

Ok @SengaStrawberry clearly no empathy.

TrustTheGeneGenie

Look at all the people rushing back from holidays as to not get caught in the quarantine, these are the people that have sent children in to school ill.

These are the parents that will be the ones that spread this around.

And what is worse is that they want and get sympathy for their selfishness.

What do teachers get for their troubles in this?
Thrown up on and the privilege of cleaning up some poor kids puke because mummy and daddy had to go to work.

How valued it must make that child feel.

Yes I am projecting, but not as much as the child did.

Well according to most on this thread we should be filling up our bottles at home and making do!

I'm assuming there must be some somewhere. Surely?! Like the kitchen in the dinner hall must have some? It's just not freely available to the poor staff or kids 🤷🏿‍♀️

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie

Look at all the people rushing back from holidays as to not get caught in the quarantine, these are the people that have sent children in to school ill.

These are the parents that will be the ones that spread this around.

And what is worse is that they want and get sympathy for their selfishness.

What do teachers get for their troubles in this?
Thrown up on and the privilege of cleaning up some poor kids puke because mummy and daddy had to go to work.

How valued it must make that child feel.

Yes I am projecting, but not as much as the child did.

You're not just projecting you're massively generalising.

Rushing back from abroad has no relevance to this whatsoever.

I don't think you understand how desperate some parents are to be honest.

[quote Uhoh2020]@itsgettingweird exactly my point there's break outs In all settings, but many posts on here blame children for the majority or will be the main reason for society closure. Schools reopening soft play re opening all set to be blamed for the so called inevitable second wave, when the actions of adults aren't exactly by the book its laughable.
IF children are bringing the virus into school then the question needs to be asked how the child has picked it up? Is it because Mum has been for her eyebrows done, because Dad has been the pub, because the child has touched the same swing in the park another child has touched?
Children have been suffered the worst indirect affect of this pandemic and still continue to be blamed for the cause of future spread.[/quote]
It's not about "blaming" children. Of course, if they pass the virus on within the school community they will clearly have picked it up from someone/somewhere. That kind of goes without saying, surely?

Still needs minimising and precautions taken.

@covidteacherscotland

Well according to most on this thread we should be filling up our bottles at home and making do!

I'm assuming there must be some somewhere. Surely?! Like the kitchen in the dinner hall must have some? It's just not freely available to the poor staff or kids 🤷🏿‍♀️

Well there has to be for food prep etc.

I wouldn't object to having to take a water bottle but there needs to be clean running water for hygiene.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Ok *@SengaStrawberry* clearly no empathy.

Empathy for people who could be risking public health, other people’s jobs, and contributing to a lockdown? No I certainly fucking do not! I’d save my empathy for the unsuspecting innocent people who subsequently faced ill health and hardship due to such cuntish behaviour.

Wow. No empathy for their children who might otherwise lose their home? Not be fed? Etc? No? Ok. Nice.

I don’t think it will be unusual not to have water available. Our plans for September say the students’ water fountains will be switched off and staff will not be allowed to use shared taps. We will all need to bring in our own water (+ tea, coffee, cups etc.)

@TrustTheGeneGenie do you actually understand that lots of us here are parents with children/childcare issues/work problems/money troubles? We know all of the issues and do actually get it. But sure, you carry on excusing the kind of behaviour that just makes things worse in all manner of ways for other people, under the guise of being oh so empathetic 😏

@HipTightOnions

I don’t think it will be unusual not to have water available. Our plans for September say the students’ water fountains will be switched off and staff will not be allowed to use shared taps. We will all need to bring in our own water (+ tea, coffee, cups etc.)

Of course. Having no drinking water supply at all would be unusual.

TrustTheGeneGenie

You're not just projecting you're massively generalising.

You mean like so many posters on here when they talk about "teachers" instead of their children;s teacher"?

Rushing back from abroad has no relevance to this whatsoever.

Yet it does, why do you think they don't want to quarantine? because they have to go to work, it is the same premise.

I don't think you understand how desperate some parents are to be honest.

I don't think you understand how selfish some parents are to be honest.

As for desperate parents, seen them, met them, paid for their children's food, stationary and in several cases shoes. The desperate parents are not the ones going on holiday.

To be clear, drinking water taps will be unavailable.

[quote SengaStrawberry]@TrustTheGeneGenie do you actually understand that lots of us here are parents with children/childcare issues/work problems/money troubles? We know all of the issues and do actually get it. But sure, you carry on excusing the kind of behaviour that just makes things worse in all manner of ways for other people, under the guise of being oh so empathetic 😏[/quote]
Yeah, I am one.

I don't think you do get it.

I'm not excusing it I'm saying I understand why it happens. Two different things!

Of course. Having no drinking water supply at all would be unusual.

No, there will be no drinking water supply at all.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Wow. No empathy for their children who might otherwise lose their home? Not be fed? Etc? No? Ok. Nice.

And what about all the other children? Teachers? All the chains of transmission that could arise as a result of such irresponsible behaviour?

What about the parents themselves who may end up being laid off if there’s a further local lockdown or may end up with an even bigger nightmare if schools shut?

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie

You're not just projecting you're massively generalising.

You mean like so many posters on here when they talk about "teachers" instead of their children;s teacher"?

Rushing back from abroad has no relevance to this whatsoever.

Yet it does, why do you think they don't want to quarantine? because they have to go to work, it is the same premise.

I don't think you understand how desperate some parents are to be honest.

I don't think you understand how selfish some parents are to be honest.

As for desperate parents, seen them, met them, paid for their children's food, stationary and in several cases shoes. The desperate parents are not the ones going on holiday.

It's not the same at all.

I know some parents are selfish, others are desperate.

Again I never said anything about holidays so ...

@HipTightOnions

Of course. Having no drinking water supply at all would be unusual.

No, there will be no drinking water supply at all.

No, there will you just can't use it. If there is no water supply at all, they wouldn't be open.

@TrustTheGeneGenie you can wash your hands with water that isn't drinking water. I've no idea the actual difference though.

In what way don’t I get it? We are not in a good financial position due to what’s happened to us either. But I still have enough fucking brain cells to know that sending a kid to school with Covid no matter whether it seemed a short term solution is going to make everything even worse not just for other but for me too!