School return will fail

[covidteacherscotland]

Okay so we have been back to school for a week! Great? No. Definitely not. Some thoughts on why this will be a disaster:

16 and 17 year olds are not children.

Social distancing is impossible. Genuinely impossible. Children will not or cannot stay out your space.

There is no PPE in school at all and staff are not protected in any way.

Children don't give a shit about washing their hands.

We've been doing double periods instead of single to minimise movement. This means that we are stuck in a room with 30 17 year olds with few or no windows as the respiratory droplets add up.

Educating your child is impossible if you can't go near them.

Our time management and pupil progress relies on us being able to give feedback to children formatively as we teach. To mark jotters as we go. We can't do this now.

I think that because infection is so low we'll be okay for a while - a few weeks - then the shit will hit the fan.

@Uhoh2020

Really?You deducted that from these threads?

Are you joking? .......has no adult been to the pub since it opened and been in a room with 30 others for a few hours without ppe? Has every single adult in the country 100% maintained a strict 2m distance from one another? Of course they have! It can only be children who spread it

Do some googling.

Plenty of outbreaks in pubs.

That should tell you what you need to know about rooms full of 30 people for hours on end.

In fact Aberdeen ended up back in lockdown all due to one pub!

@neveradullmoment99, I did say "when the weather is good."

I'm trying to be positive and 'can-do' here. Some of those points might carry some schools (with the right building layout) through to half term, at least after that we're fucked.

The more I have read the more I have felt to say suck it up buttercup.
No one chose their career on a pandemic.
So get on with it, sorry but you do at least have a well paid job as opposed to a lot of others at this time.

Nah, that’s rubbish, same as why claps aren’t paying my bills and childcare as i chose to look after people dying from Covid-19.
State owned staff are getting paid peanuts. They are still expected to look after everyone else, regardless of field. Stop fighting each other and stand together.

Well SAR you're hardly the first teacher I've come across that's made some mahoosive assumptions.

If you really do Rep for School Staff, best get on with it hadn't you as there's not much time life to get England's children and School Staff safely back in School by early Sept.

Chip, chip...

@StaffAssociationRepresentative

Well they probably can’t afford the specialist who do the water testing etc. No money in school budgets.

I believe they actually have to have temperate checks at least. I used to work for a water treatment company. We had lots of contracts in schools. I don't think they can just opt out and hope for the best.

@itsgettingweird

I'm not a teacher.

Yet I'm surprised at how many parents aim their anger at the teachers wanting safe teaching environments for their children rather than actually lobbying the government themselves on behalf of their own children.

I actually get the impression some teachers care more about the students than the parents do

That seems to be a common theme with some posters who fail to understand that we (schools) are constrained by government and DfE guidelines. They also fail to understand our budget constraints.

@Devlesko

It's not schools that you need to worry about, it's nurseries and preschools. Under 5's have between !0 and !00% more viral load than a 5-17 year old. It's them that are the superspreaders. You are more likely to catch it from your toddler.

If that's the case then why hasn't there been a problem recorded since they went back? They've been back months now.

@Nicknacky

itsgettingweird Cybercrime is a huuuuggeee part of policing these days and will get even bigger. Fantastic area to get into, and if he does then give me his name as I could do with a contact 😂

He's a complete computer nerd and very stuck on rules. Stereotypical highly intelligent autistic.

I wouldn't want to be the one he discovered doing something wrong - you'd get away with nothing

I would have definitely been fine with part time for a good while - but part time for us was 50% in school and my kids are s1 and s3. If my kid was getting 1 day a week in s5 - I don’t think I would have been so relaxed.

@TrustTheGeneGenie I agree we can’t opt out but if we don’t have the money then we can’t pay. Schools went into lockdown in March and buildings were mothballed.

@TrustTheGeneGenie I'm sure Senga will correct me if I am wrong, but she has never given me the impression that she is a teacher.

Ok and comments like this this are why teachers don't always get respect.

I don't think that person is a teacher?

[quote Mistressiggi]@TrustTheGeneGenie I'm sure Senga will correct me if I am wrong, but she has never given me the impression that she is a teacher.[/quote]
Apologies then, but the point still stands. Wouldn't kill people to have some empathy.

[quote CallmeAngelina]**@neveradullmoment99, I did say "when the weather is good."

I'm trying to be positive and 'can-do' here. Some of those points might carry some schools (with the right building layout) through to half term, at least after that we're fucked.[/quote]
Yes, sorry.
But what will we do then?
Its like no one has thought beyond the summer, of which we are nearing the end of, if you can call it summer here.

Sorry Hun but I don’t work at the DfE. You need to ask those desk jockeys

[quote StaffAssociationRepresentative]@TrustTheGeneGenie I agree we can’t opt out but if we don’t have the money then we can’t pay. Schools went into lockdown in March and buildings were mothballed.[/quote]
Things like temp checks can be done by anyone if they know what the safe range is. It's not hard. There's not much excuse for not having someone in to go in and run the taps and test the temps every week or so. You only need treatment when things aren't well managed.

Teachers on here were united in saying they could not provide any sort of online learning so there is no other option but to get back into the classroom I am afraid.

that wasn't what was said.

That is so much spin you should work for bojo.

Your point was that this was why people didn't respect teachers!

@Mistressiggi

Your point was that this was why people didn't respect teachers!

My point was that what she said was unfair and judgemental.

Ive already apologised what more do you want!

I appreciate the apology The assumption seems to be that every comment supportive of a teacher's safety in schools simply must come from a teacher - it is possible for other people to want schools to be safe too!

aah, SAR has come up with the "fail to understand" standpoint, oft stated here. As I've pp'd above, I do "understand" having Guvved for a wide range of Schools. Eg - very acquainted with budgets, rules and regs.

The failure of 'understanding' rests more with the can't/won't crew rather than society's majorit which includes many teachers).

@Mistressiggi

I appreciate the apology The assumption seems to be that every comment supportive of a teacher's safety in schools simply must come from a teacher - it is possible for other people to want schools to be safe too!

I want schools to be safe. My son will spend most of his week in one.

Doesn't mean I think calling other parents arseholes is acceptable.

@itsgettingweird exactly my point there's break outs In all settings, but many posts on here blame children for the majority or will be the main reason for society closure. Schools reopening soft play re opening all set to be blamed for the so called inevitable second wave, when the actions of adults aren't exactly by the book its laughable.
IF children are bringing the virus into school then the question needs to be asked how the child has picked it up? Is it because Mum has been for her eyebrows done, because Dad has been the pub, because the child has touched the same swing in the park another child has touched?
Children have been suffered the worst indirect affect of this pandemic and still continue to be blamed for the cause of future spread.

TrustTheGeneGenie
SengaStrawberry

Arsehole parents sending sick kids to school is going to be a problem in winter I fear sad

Ok and comments like this this are why teachers don't always get respect.

Ever considered the arsehole parents might be trying to keep their job? Pay their rent? Put food on the table?

Yes it's totally unacceptable and no I would never do it but it doesn't take a genius to realise why some parents do.

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/anger-child-goes-gloucester-nursery-4397248

One set parents have made it difficult for the parents and staff at this nursery to pay their bills.

Why do you think that its OK for one set of parents to do this to others.

[quote Mistressiggi]**@TrustTheGeneGenie I'm sure Senga will correct me if I am wrong, but she has never given me the impression that she is a teacher.[/quote]
No I am most definitely not a teacher, and fuck me if I was Covid would be the last of anyone’s worries!

@TrustTheGeneGenie I do actually have kids and a job of my own (well just about to start a new one) and I do actually get it. But there’s going to be no fecking excuse for sending sick kids to school in a pandemic. Notwithstanding the fact the whole house should be isolating anyway if a kid has Covid symptoms. It’s a hardship for all of us to have to do that, we couldn’t afford no pay or SSP any more than anyone else esp as I got made redundant in May and my DH has been furloughed for months. Still wouldn’t send my kids to school with suspected Covid and think anyone who does is as a dick