France added to quarantine list

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Another country added. I really do think foreign travels a bad idea until this crap is over.

Hope those in France can get back easily

All France and Spain et al need to do is change how they count new infections and the problem would be solved, think of all those jobs and holidays that could be saved?

The UK dropped its death rate by 5k, now we are a mid ranking country that has handled CV very well, last week we were among the worlds worst.

Absolutely. It’s all just a numbers game.

the Given Spain's limited testing capabilities I imagine the numbers are already vastly under reported.

Spain's standing as responsible and credible country would disappear overnight if they started 'fixing' numbers.

DH has got to go to Dubai on Tuesday. He lived and worked there for 4 years and needs to go for work. He is going knowing that he fully has to quarantine for 14 days on his return but what I find crazy is that the rest of the family don’t have to do as well. Not remotely worried about getting ill there, they have handled Covid very well and have only had 380 deaths. He needs a test in the U.K. before he leaves to be able to board the plane and a test in Dubai before he can leave to come home.

i love how dangerous theyre saying malta is yes theyre case rate doubled from 25 to 50 and theyve had wait for it -9 deaths

but i guess yo cant be careful if cases are rising

gabs You don't seem to have a very good grasp of how it is calculated.

UK: 18 cases per 100,000 of the population
Malta: 74 cases per 100,000

Just to be clear the threshold set by SAGE is: 20 cases per 100,000 as a safe and acceptable limit.

Do you understand now why Malta is where it is today. It is about the number of infections relative to the population.

@thecatsatonthewall - the deaths data change put England's death reporting on the same basis as the other home nations and other countries such as Germany, France, Spain and Italy. In trying to ensure there was no under-counting, PHE had accidentally got into a position of counting deaths from other causes based on a previous (sometimes asymptomatic) covid test months previously. What value do you think the previous PHE approach added?

Has anyone booked to go to centre Parcs in France had any luck getting through on their phone lines? Are they letting you rebook for a later date?

@MRex Arbitrary rules such as deaths up to 28 days after a positive test, will miss someone dying of CV after 29 days and what about deaths where there was no CV test made available?

It is rather convenient that we suddenly drop down the official death table, yet excess deaths are one of the highest in the world per capita.

I don't know how the rest of europe counts CV deaths, everyone seems to do it differently.
& Spain's high positives appears to include antibody test results! though we don't know the proportion but looking at Spains hospitalisations, they are still very low and don't seem to have gone up.

I think the quarantine is just about the headlines "Boris gets tough on CV...." than any public health concerns, how many other european countries have done this to Spain/France etc ?

@thecatsatonthewall Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Germany, France, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Poland, Czech Republic & Hungary all have various travel advisories on Spain. That was from the end of July, there are probably more now.

"Majority of Schengen Countries Urge Their Citizens to Avoid Travel to Spain" www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/majority-of-schengen-countries-urge-their-citizens-to-avoid-travel-to-spain/

He is going knowing that he fully has to quarantine for 14 days on his return but what I find crazy is that the rest of the family don’t have to do as well.

As in he comes back solo from Dubai, self isolates at home but the rest of the family (who stayed in the UK) don't need to?

If that is the case then yes, the UK rules are that the returned traveller can go home, self isolate, and should "stay away from others" as much as possible....

I think it's one of those things about the UK management of this that is down to the "costs/risk v benefits" considerations...

It wasn't the UK that changed it's reporting criteria btw - it was England. Wales, Scotland & NI have always used the 28 days cut off. As have most other nations.

Yes, he is going to Dubai on his own. We usually go as well (and I would have no concerns about going because I know how seriously the UAE government have taken the situation) but children need to be back at school and I need to be back at work. His job will mean he has to travel to the ME on a regular basis, they have managed for nearly 6 months but the situation isn’t sustainable for much longer. Without the ability to travel, he will have no work and no work will mean no income. Not everyone that is getting on a plane is going for a lovely holiday.

@thecatsatonthewall - Later deaths are still tracked and available through ONS that can be used for epidemiological and other purposes, you can view them for yourself, but the figures reported through WHO tracking now match the arbitrary approach used by other countries. You know it is set up to match other nations because you can verify what you're being told through a brief Google search, yet you still have an issue. Why?

Please don't be another one suggesting Spain is all fine and dandy. They separated antibody tests originally and now don't for obfuscation reasons. They need to do a lot more testing and get on top of the infections. As do most countries in Europe right now, including the UK, because infections are rising everywhere and could easily get out of control if there isn't swift action.

Yes, he is going to Dubai on his own....

Not everyone that is getting on a plane is going for a lovely holiday.

Oh I recognise that sentiment, I really do, and I know what you are driving at..

You're going to be in the same situation as a lot of families of essential workers have been in the last few months, especially in things like aviation and other forms of long distance transportation, i.e. how to handle it when one of the family members pops off to somewhere on the banned list and then comes back home (whether they are exempt from quarantine or not).

From what I've heard the best thing to do is have a plan agreed before DP goes, options usually being:

1. Have nil contact with family (e.g. hide in a bedroom),
2. Have minimal contact, or

3; live life as normal in the house?

Whatever you decide the big thing I'd recommend is not saying too much to friends..I hear you can get some funny looks and backwards paces from those who are convinced travel anywhere beyond the parish boundaries these days is highly dangerous.

Good luck...

i know how it works still laughable comapared to our totals

To @not www.coronavirus.gov.hk/eng/inbound-travel.html an example of a region that knows what it’s doing and has the tech to do it

... and setting up the household

And I think 9 deaths per million rather than 609 per million with population density 6,690 per km2 vs 275 per km2 in uk

@SparklingSaskia

None of you planning to come to France have thought that the French government might order a quarantine for travellers from the UK too? They just did.

Reassuring to see our glorious leaders using science to make decisions that affect our lives, rather than tit-for-tat diplomacy

A women on the news was talking about the quarantine situation with France.
She said that this will probably be the new normal, it will be pot luck whether people actually get to go abroad without their holiday being disrupted. Such as quarantine after getting back.
If this is the case and it’s permanent surely no one will ever book to go abroad and the tourist industry abroad is dead and buried?

We returned from France this afternoon (luckily we were booked to return today so no drama) The French TV news were there interviewing us, but they seemed disappointed as none of us were panicking about the quarantine, just lucky to be going home! They’d have had more luck at the ferry / shuttle I think!

Well, some posters were saying that was the risk younwouid be running, right from when relaxations were first mooted.

We were mainly accused of being dementors, even if we were saying that we hoped it would not happen (given that strong sunshine is widely considered to be a factor that inhibits transmission), but we thought people should bear the risk of quarantine (at either end) when making their choices.

We have a government from a rampantly capitalist, pro-business party. I doubt they took actions that are clearly damaging to this sector lightly.

I honestly think this is bizarre... how on EARTH is it enforced ? (Except by socially responsible people , and lockdown-including senior government advisers 'advised themselves' ) ..

I live in a rural lane. I know all my neighbours although they are at least half to a kilometre apart... I have NO IDEA if they are going away, have gone away or where to... and as someone who works in the local police, I know we have ABSOLUTELY no idea where people have been.

Add to that, passports aren't stamped anymore on entry or exit and passports are t even mandatory.. so couldn't ask to see them even if they were stamped.

What on Earth do the Govt think anyone can do if they decide to stay on the beach in the south of France, come back and go to work..

Nothing !! Is the answer ... pointless and only the responsible people will be shelling out hundreds to cut their journeys short ..