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France added to quarantine list

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whenwillthemadnessend · 13/08/2020 22:07

Another country added. I really do think foreign travels a bad idea until this crap is over.

Hope those in France can get back easily

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MrsKingfisher · 14/08/2020 08:03

Why don't they insist on tests like many other countries, there's no way of them checking on people just the '1 in 5' being bandied about. Our country is ridiculous!

MRex · 14/08/2020 08:07

A test can be clear while someone is harbouring the virus, they then become infectious some days later. There have been a great many false negatives in every country.

Is it Cyprus who have additional rules that the whole plane need to quarantine if one person tests positive?

ssd · 14/08/2020 08:07

I don't understand people going abroad when they know the risks and then complaining they need to quarantine.

RoseAndRose · 14/08/2020 08:08

I don’t see why if you got a clear covid test why you need to quarantine but I’m quite prepared to be told I’m wrong

Because the incubation period ranges from 2 - 14 days.

A clear test does not mean you're not incubating it - you only test positive as you are about to show symptoms.

ThatDirection · 14/08/2020 08:11

Any idea why Spain is a 10 day quarantine and France and other countries 14 days? Cases in Spain are far higher than France currently.

We travelled to France knowing we could manage a 10 day quarantine but 14 days puts the kids beyond their first day of school /college. We'll see if we can come back early but that would be traveling home by Monday which looks unlikely.

Had this been announced at the final hours to distract from the A level results uproar? Is there evidence holidaymakers are bringing covid back from France? We've not been around any French people, except inside a supermarket with sanitised trolleys and wearing a mask. We came via le shuttle in our own car and we're staying in a rural location. Much like the majority of family travelers to France. What a pain.

ThatDirection · 14/08/2020 08:13

And surely those who will obey quarantine are likely to be the type of people who have been cautious and obedient whilst abroad! Others, who aren't that way inclined will be the ones who don't bother.

EdithWeston · 14/08/2020 08:15

Had this been announced at the final hours to distract from the A level results uproar?

Doubt it - or the announcement would have been made several hours earlier.

Covid announcements often seem to appear at odd hours. The one about changes to shielding being a notorious example

Friendsoftheearth · 14/08/2020 08:16

Can anyone help with info? My friends are due to land in France in an hour, are they now subject to French quarantine? And if so, is this very strict? Can they still eat out etc?

And then quarantine again on arrival at the UK?

So a whole month of quarantine?!!! Please tell me I have this wrong. They def can not afford to take a month away from work.

pontypridd · 14/08/2020 08:17

The final nail is in the coffin as far as trust in our government is concerned.

So many questions surround so much of what they do. It all feels so populist and politically motivated.

I don’t believe for one moment that this has been done for the safety of the people.

ImAncient · 14/08/2020 08:20

@RoseAndRose

I don’t see why if you got a clear covid test why you need to quarantine but I’m quite prepared to be told I’m wrong

Because the incubation period ranges from 2 - 14 days.

A clear test does not mean you're not incubating it - you only test positive as you are about to show symptoms.

Thank you I thought I wasn’t right but I’ve not had my first coffee yet.
EdithWeston · 14/08/2020 08:21

Looks like they impose quarantine when the number of cases exceeds 30 per 100,000

If that's wrong/populist, what should the threshold be? What rate are other countries using?

Friendsoftheearth · 14/08/2020 08:22

pony actually it was SAGE who insisted on this decision, it was their position all along that by opening up the airline and travel industry we would see a big increase in the infection rate. The government were keen to reopen! There has been tension and strain because of it, the government on one hand trying to get things back to normal, and the science community putting the brakes on.

Not everything is about politics. Labour would have made the same decision, the SNP have made the same decision. Unless you want to see a rerun of the spring of course.

MRex · 14/08/2020 08:24

@Friendsoftheearth - it has not yet come in for the UK (4am tomorrow) and even if France decides to be reciprocal today they would pick the same time or later. So no quarantine while there, but they need to quarantine when they get back. It would be advisable to keep good social distance given the rise in cases, but that would be sensible anyway.

trollopolis · 14/08/2020 08:28

She also went for a Covid test on her return and, once she got her negative result, did not quarantine strictly (ie she went for walks and to the supermarket)

That is so fucking irresponsible and shows she is totally ignorant about what the term 'incubation' means

ImAncient · 14/08/2020 08:29

@MRex

A test can be clear while someone is harbouring the virus, they then become infectious some days later. There have been a great many false negatives in every country.

Is it Cyprus who have additional rules that the whole plane need to quarantine if one person tests positive?

I’m not sure.

But my cousin said they are being very stringent & efficient on landing. Also fines for not wearing masks indoors. She says people are being very compliant.

I thought Spain was 14 days not 10?

Friendsoftheearth · 14/08/2020 08:32

Pretty grim for them, as they are there to visit relatives suffering from bereavement, not a holiday.

Friendsoftheearth · 14/08/2020 08:33

Spain is 14 day quarantine.

There was some talk of reducing to ten days, but it has been shelved, as people are still potentially infectious or can fall ill for up to 14 days.

ThatDirection · 14/08/2020 08:34

Thanks.

Firefliess · 14/08/2020 08:45

@Edith I reckon the threshold for imposing quarantine should be when cases are at least twice whatever our own rates are. If ours grow to 30 per 100,000 then there'd be no point quarantining people from France. And similarly if our rates fall, I'd hope they'd tighten the threshold. I think that may be roughly what they're doing - and why they didn't bother with quarantine rules for anywhere when we had one of the highest rates in the world back in March/April. Though wish they would be a bit more transparent about it.

scaevola · 14/08/2020 08:50

Most people become symptomatic at 5-6 days post exposure. But it ranges 2 -14 days. So quarantine is set at 14 days to cover the full range.

But it's not an even distribution, so most people who are going to fall ill will have done so by 12 days, so it's a judgement call about your numbers whether you risk cases getting through. If you have a high number of arrivals, then it's prudent to cover the whole incubation period as the even those the proportion is low the actual number is high enough to cause concern.

If you are going to need hospitalisation, then it's typically around 5-7 days after becoming symptomatic.

So being trapped and ill overseas is a scenario you need to be sure you can deal with - you will not be allowed to fly out if you are symptomatic (and it would be foully anntisocial to try to pretend you're not if you know otherwise). You would have to stay put until recovered, and your traveling companions may well have to go into isolation before being allowed to leave.

EHIC will only cover hospital expenses, on same footing as a national of that country (so often not free, but will be heavily subsidised). Up to December.

Cost of insurance which provides covid cover will increase enormously, because of the likelihood of need to pay out. Insurers don't care about preserving the travel industry.

Ironically, those with pre-existing health conditions may well be those least affected, as their premiums are already much higher because of increased possibility of requiring treatment when away.

pontypridd · 14/08/2020 08:57

All those people who manage to get back from France before quarantine starts - why do they pose no risk?

But anyone coming back a few hours later is somehow, magically, a danger to us all?

If there was a real risk of holidays makers coming back from France our feckless government would make the quarantine start with immediate effect.

pontypridd · 14/08/2020 08:58

But they haven’t done that because they are feckless. And this is purely political.

lockdownlush · 14/08/2020 09:00

So basically all the people who thought sod it I'm off on holiday have spread the virus .. yay what mindless idiots. It was never a good idea to go anywhere.

MRex · 14/08/2020 09:03

@pontypridd - cases are rising day by day. A cut-off date and time needs to be chosen. This is the time for France. If cases go back down, so will the restrictions.

ImAncient · 14/08/2020 09:25

But lockdown not everyone will have gone on holiday. My cousin has gone because her dad is very unwell (cancer) & she took the chance to go rather than not see him again. It’s not always that simple. I was going to go for the same reason but decided against it but if it was my parent or sibling then yes I’d probably go.

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