I can’t believe this is how people think

[Tigerlily31]

My MIL told me she’d rather die of “anything else over Covid”

My own mother is convinced she’ll end up in ICU on a ventilator if she gets it, despite having no health concerns.

I fully blame the media. It’s becoming frightening how big it is in people’s minds.

Another thread with this ever increasing polarised opinion of Covid....

Why now in any important issue do we always have people taking one view or the polar opposite?! It was the same with Brexit.
Black or white. No grey areas.

As it happens I’m more in the camp of ‘the media have blown it out of proportion’ and I say that as the parent of a child with a transplant. However I still think we need to exercise caution and do our ‘bit’. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory and I do think it’s sad that so many lives have been lost.

What I do see though as someone who has had to face the prospect of losing a child to a terminal illness is that a lot of those who are overly fearful of Covid see it as the first thing that has come along in their life to threaten their life. When in fact we are surrounded by life threatening situations and viruses day in day out. Since the day we were born we live with viruses bombarding our bodies. We are mostly well equipped to deal with them.

My son goes back to the gym today. Last night, he was all mithered about “what if it’s not safe?” I’m at a loss as to what to say to him. Just had the personal trainer fee at £200 leave the bank 🙄. I’m furloughed, so money’s tight.

[quote Tigerlily31]@labyrinthloafer actually I am taking it seriously, so your rant was unwarranted.
I wear a face covering, keep my distance from others, I haven’t even stepped foot in s pub. But I am allowed to think the media have stirred this up so much that people are terrified.
Yes, people need to be cautious and take precautions, but on the other hand, I believe there needs to be a balance in reported stories. I honestly don’t think there is.[/quote]
This is probably because you personally read a lot of bullshit, tbh. Your OP said 'I fully blame the media' which is in itself a bullshit comment.

@Wagsandclaws

It's been in the mainstream media that Covid is being put on people's death certificates regardless of what they die of. I personally know of someone who had Covid, was discharged and died in an rta a few weeks later but their cause of death was put down as Covid.

The media has a lot to answer for, as for this shitshow of a government ...

I don't believe any of these anecdotes tbh. My grandmother died of pneumonia in a nursing home last month, covid wasn't mentioned on her death certificate at all. Surely that would have been an easy one for the doctors to claim as Covid if this big conspiracy were real.

@CharlottesComplicatedWeb

My son goes back to the gym today. Last night, he was all mithered about “what if it’s not safe?” I’m at a loss as to what to say to him. Just had the personal trainer fee at £200 leave the bank 🙄. I’m furloughed, so money’s tight.

Well, tbh, going to the gym isn't very safe if you wish to avoid catching covid.

This is obvious.

Screenshot of deaths in hospital in England.

The Scottish government have been really bad for this. At their briefings they tell you how many people have it, are in hospital, have died, are in ICU but with no context. No graphs so you can see the trends, just the raw numbers. How are you supposed to do an instant comparison against last week, last month, three months ago when they're just standing there throwing numbers at you?

Given the infection rate in Scotland, I'd be glad to have their effective approach even if graphs are not ideal!

Well, tbh, going to the gym isn't very safe if you wish to avoid catching covid.

What are the chances of one of the people who have it in the first place, then don't know they have it, or know they have it and are in the gym anyway, being in close proximity with someone in a gym?

I want to ban the word "safe". It's meaningless.

"I'm sorry some people can't deal with it, and have to pretend it's all made up to keep themselves calm/functioning, but covid is a fact and it needs to be dealt with.

Sick of bullshit conspiracy theories, juvenile rants about the 'mainstream media' and all the rest of it. Get off Facebook and read what the mainstream science and health community are saying. Then keep your fucking distance from people and make sure you are part of the solution, not part of the problem."

Absolutely agree. I know no-one who is terrified to that extent so according to this thread I should put my fingers in my ears and say they dont exist.

I see a number of stories about people who have recovered but very few about just how long some people take to recover from this and just how much therapy they will need for unknown amounts of time. So there isnt balance because those cases are not being reported.

Some of manage to know the truth about Covid and still get on with normal life, not try to deny reality because it's the only way we can cope with anxiety. If you are concerned about relatives or friends help them put it in perspective by all means, dont resort to lies to do it.

My mum was in hospital with Sepsis due to a leg infection - was touch and go for a while. Whilst in hospital tested positive for covid (asymptomatic).

Was told, and I was on the phone to the doctor at the time so I heard it first hand - if she had died from sepsis it would have gone down as a covid death.

Given that people in care homes are usually very sick (average life expectancy of a care home resident is 12 months I believe) - a large number of them would have been in end stages of life (not all - a large number).

If someone has terminal COPD or cancer with only weeks or months to live, it seems disingenuous to include in the figures - or at the very least, have separate categories so we know exactly how many healthy people died (and by that I don't mean with no underlying conditions - I mean people who were not gravely ill already) and how many gravely ill died.

My FIL has end stage COPD - has been dying for 10 years. his doctors and carers don't understand how he is still alive - he rightly should have been dead years ago. If he got covid would almost certainly be fatal in his case - except I wouldn't want covid to go down as cause of death.

@SockYarn

Well, tbh, going to the gym isn't very safe if you wish to avoid catching covid.

What are the chances of one of the people who have it in the first place, then don't know they have it, or know they have it and are in the gym anyway, being in close proximity with someone in a gym?

I want to ban the word "safe". It's meaningless.

If you want to ban the word safe, you do that.

Going to the gym is, in terms of catching covid, a higher risk activity.

Ban any word you want, it won't change the facts!

Fil battled covid for 12 weeks in hospital, also got sepsis and e-coli, came home and died from a heart attack 2 weeks later. I know that covid was not mentioned on the death certificate, he died on the 9th of June.

If this is England then he will have been recorded as a Covid death as everyone who has ever tested positive is. Very bizarre it wasn’t included on his death certificate though

Covid is a new virus, we have absolutely no idea of any long term impact precisely because it is a new virus.Chickenpox can lead to shingles years later..measles can also cause a Degenerative brain disorder years after infection..to give just a couple of examples. Therefore it would be advisable to try and avoid it even if you consider yourself at low risk

Refractory

I was quoting Wagsandclaws who knows someone who told her that their relative died in a car crash (RTA) and the death certificate said covid. This is widely on social media that there is a deliberate fabrication of numbers by government/whole thing is not true.

I wanted them to think this through a bit more.

Get off Facebook and read what the mainstream science and health community are saying.

I have. They are all saying different things, this is the problem.

@Justanswer in your opinion. Other people will be more likely to take the risk.

@DianaT1969

Was Boris Johnson seriously ill, or was that hype too? The issue with death certificates is that if someone tested positive, spent 6 weeks in ICU and died of heart attack, they will write Covid. It's hard to believe an ETA or work-related accident could ever be written up as Covid, but perhaps a few got through in the chaos.

Was Boris Johnson seriously ill, or was that hype too?

He probably just fancied a few days off and was really hiding out at Chequers with all the phones switched off.

"If this is England then he will have been recorded as a Covid death as everyone who has ever tested positive is. Very bizarre it wasn’t included on his death certificate though"

Deliberate lie or do you just not understand?

First the PHE will include his death as Covid, ONS figures will not because it was not listed as a cause of death on his death certificate.

Second Covid causes blood clotting problems and quite often ongoing heart disease. Covid was not on the death certificate, so ONS wont count it, but his life was quite likely shortened by Covid. I'm sorry for the loss of life.

Conspiracy nut jobs said it wasn't covid but liver disease. 🙄
Also that wearing a mask gives you legionnaires 🙄🙄
And that you get paid for each person that tests positive and dies 🙄🙄🙄

I don’t understand why people refuse to believe the seriousness of it.

My sister had it, 38, fit, normal weight, no health conditions. She had it in April, was hospitalised, and still isn’t right now, still has a hacking cough, breathless, severe exhaustion.

I’m afraid I put you all in the same bracket as anti-Vader’s and flat earth believers. Absolutely nuts.

Hardbackwriter This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my previous post, it’s as if any other death is not so important. I feel for your friend whose mum died, it must be a double blow for her with peoples attitude that only Covid deaths are significant. 😢 Wish I could send her some flowers 💐.

Deliberate lie or do you just not understand?

Why the rudeness? I understand perfectly PHE will have recorded the death as covid as you said. They are not being changed down by ONS. It may happen in the future but not yet.

Anti-vaxxers not anti-Vader’s!

@amymel2016

I don’t understand why people refuse to believe the seriousness of it.

My sister had it, 38, fit, normal weight, no health conditions. She had it in April, was hospitalised, and still isn’t right now, still has a hacking cough, breathless, severe exhaustion.

I’m afraid I put you all in the same bracket as anti-Vader’s and flat earth believers. Absolutely nuts.

I hope she starts to feel better soon. It's horrible. My symptoms flair up every now again and I can't get rid of the cough. Got another doctor appointment today for review. I'm struggling to work due to these side effects