I can’t believe this is how people think

[Tigerlily31]

My MIL told me she’d rather die of “anything else over Covid”

My own mother is convinced she’ll end up in ICU on a ventilator if she gets it, despite having no health concerns.

I fully blame the media. It’s becoming frightening how big it is in people’s minds.

Suffocating doesn't sound like a great way to die tbh.

My friend tested positive, she lost her sense of smell and had a headache for a few days, she’s now completely fine 3 months later, she’s newly pregnant and is feeling fitter than she has for years, but those kind of stories won’t be shared in the media.

Yes.... Graham Greene apparently played Russian Roulette a few times as a teenager... He survived! Yet you don’t hear anyone cite that story and say Russian Roulette isn’t dangerous.

It seems that most people will recover from Covid without any particular issues, but that doesn’t make it ok. Similarly most people will survive a game of Russian Roulette.

(And before anyone says, I accept that RR is statistically much more dangerous than Covid to most people. It’s an analogy - they are not absolutely equivalent).

@Trashtara

how many care homes have manged to keep their homes covid free,

I work in adult social care and collating care home data is one part of my job. In my area of 23 residential homes and 8 nursing homes we have not had a single home remain COVID free. Nor have we had a single home escape with no COVID deaths. and I mean actually died of COVID. The most deaths we have seen is 13 in one week. All were COVID. Our nursing and residential homes are averaging 60% capacity currently.

I know that the neighbouring boroughs are all very similar.

Both my DM and DSIS work in care homes (separate ones) neither of had any cases in residents or staff

@Bluewavescrashing

Suffocating doesn't sound like a great way to die tbh.

is any way a good way to die?

@RobotRepair that’s a lot of people. I know of one person who has had it and recovered.

Too many Chinese whispers get turned into gospel by the media.

The potential long term lung damage was known about back in chinese medical journals (made open access) back in March. And no it's not just self reported. The dead tissue was visible on chest Xrays

twitter.com/DiseaseEcology/status/1287145404480385025?s=20

My friend tested positive, she lost her sense of smell and had a headache for a few days, she’s now completely fine 3 months later, she’s newly pregnant and is feeling fitter than she has for years, but those kind of stories won’t be shared in the media.

This kind of throwaway bullshit statement - the bit I underlined - is starting to get on my wick now.

Every fricking press conference, every ministerial statement, every article references the fact that 'most' cases are mild.

The fact is, covid is worse than most illnesses circulating in the UK on a societal level because letting it run uncontrolled risks major social disruption, food shortages, not enough morgue space etc etc.

I'm sorry some people can't deal with it, and have to pretend it's all made up to keep themselves calm/functioning, but covid is a fact and it needs to be dealt with.

I am not cowering, I'm voluntarily off to work today and meeting a friend later thanks, but I'm able to take it seriously too because not being careful risks other vulnerable people getting very sick.

Sick of bullshit conspiracy theories, juvenile rants about the 'mainstream media' and all the rest of it. Get off Facebook and read what the mainstream science and health community are saying. Then keep your fucking distance from people and make sure you are part of the solution, not part of the problem.

If everyone was just a little bit careful and took it fairly seriously we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now...

This attitude is one of the things which annoys me most about coronavirus. The sheer arrogance of it.

People seem to think that seemingly only them and their family are capable of following the rules and everyone else is not, which is why things are the way they are.

When actually, the vast majority are doing the best they can. You're not special. You're not more intelligent.

Look around the world, different countries with vastly different means are all facing it and you'll notice there are huge similarities in what's happening. That's because the disease is to blame, not your neighbours.

I'd wager that the 'confirmed' cases of covid19 did not require a positive covid19 test.

Then you’d lose your wager (unless the ONS is part of a grand conspiracy theory and in league with the lizards!)

Our definition of COVID-19 includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain, for example, because no test was done. Of the 46,736 deaths with an underlying cause of COVID-19, 3,763 (8.1%) were classified as “suspected” COVID-19. Including mentions, “suspected” COVID-19 was recorded on 8.4% (4,251 deaths) of all deaths involving COVID-19.

Fil battled covid for 12 weeks in hospital, also got sepsis and e-coli, came home and died from a heart attack 2 weeks later. I know that covid was not mentioned on the death certificate, he died on the 9th of June.
I agree that it’s a lottery. The 2 people in my town who were hospitalised with it, still have a long way to go in terms of recovery, both youngish 50’s and 60’s.

Oh, and read up on denialism.

Every bloody crisis ever involves a group of people arguing the problem doesn't exist or is being exaggerated.

@Pobblebonk

No one can possibly know how permanent the damage is from a disease only officially named a few months ago

Well, yes, they can. Because irrespective of the cause of damage, we know which organs of the body are capable of repair from serious damage and which aren't, and we've got very well established investigative facilities to enable us to assess damage.

I had covid, was fit and health before then. I now struggle to breath. I have gastric reflux . Palpitations, I'm now on a cocktail of meds to help the side effects. My friend ended up in hospital due to new af. His gf now relies on inhalers So I agree , it's the side effects which to me are scary , effecting previous fit and healthy people. There was a link between covid and dementia, will see if I can find the report again. Some people with underlying conditions survived. The media did a lot of scare tactics . Don't think shielding the over 50's will help. I'm northwest, they need to concentrate on the younger generation as they go around as if they are untouchable.

@drinkingwineoutofamug and as I keep saying please share your true story widely as too many younger people are acting as though it can't be them.

How true this is. I’ve heard of two very elderly people who have died during the last 3 months and every single person who talks about it is asking “ oh no, was it Covid?” with a shocked expression.
As you say, it’s as if death never occurred before and elderly people just vanished into thin air.

I think this is just "were they taken before their time" i.e. if it hadn't been for COVID would you have got a few more months/ years with your loved one? The truth is that people are dying of COVID where they could have lived longer even if they were also dying of something else.

I know a young, fit person who had it six weeks ago. He was hospitalised and is now struggling to walk far and found it difficult to have a full conversation with me. He was struggling to finish a sentence sometimes. He said he still has back pain, sore ribs and is so tired all the time. This is six weeks later. He is in a group of people who are also struggling. The hospital are monitoring there progress.

I am scared of it. I had a virus which attacked my heart and I was ill for months. Some people went to a house party and then visited lots of pubs. A barmaid has it now. They have had to test all the staff.What were they thinking? It is serious. I have hardly left our village and I know quite a few other s doing the same.

[quote Wagsandclaws]@PJ6M no of course I haven't looked at it but their relatives who I know personally and have been conversing with have and they are having to have a solicitor fight their case as insurance won't pay out.

But of course you know them personally right? [/quote]
@Wagsandclaws what insurance won't pay out and why?

This is not flu. It is as much a blood clotting disorder, in fact probably more so, as it is a respiratory illness. Some of those nasty deaths in care homes are after strokes - Covid may give you strokes.

Covid involves a far higher rate of hospital admission than flu and a higher death rate, although that is reducing now with better treatments. In time I expect this to be similar to flu but right now it is not.

IRL I know I lot of sensible people taking reasonable precautions but are mostly going out when appropriate. The most vulnerable has been more restricted but will probably die if they get it and they wish to be around a bit longer. I also, unfortunately, know a certain number of entitled idiots taking fewer precautions that is sensible. I dont know anyone cowering indoors in fear, even the one with extreme anxiety has been out. Therefore, by the stupidity on this thread, I should assume that all such reports are false, they are outside my personal experience.

I can't believe that Topham Guerin, the dodgy political communications company behind renaming the official Conservative Twitter account to factcheckUK and setting up a fake Labour manifesto website, the ones who specialise in manipulating social media, have been given, without tender, a £3 million contract to work on Covid-19 messaging. I wonder what dirty tricks they are up to this time? They definitely wouldn't be above paying someone to start a few threads on Mumsnet, I'm sure. Not that I am insinuating anything about this user's first post here, obviously.

A friend of mine lost her mother a couple of months ago to something that was nothing to do with Covid and she's found it really hurtful that everyone asks if it was Covid and then reacts like it doesn't matter as much when she says it was cancer.

lilgreen. Yes I’ve just counted out of the people I know 5 confirmed cases. Plus the two people on the estate who died of it (very big estate but still...) and probable but unconfirmed my DD and DSIL and my DGC who if they did have it all had it mildly and were all fine thank heavens.

I have been following the NHS daily deaths counter for a month or two.
What amazes me from it is the discrepancy between the England hospital deaths and the then announced "daily deaths" from PHE. The England hospital deaths have been running at 30 or below for weeks and weeks, and often in the low teens or single figures, but the PHE announcement will often well over double this when adding in deaths in care homes and the community.

The NHS England data also includes the age range of those who have died. The vast majority are in the 80+ band, and when you add in the 60-79 band plus the 80+ band this is 95 percent plus of NHS England deaths now at a rough estimate.

I don't think there can be a huge number of people dying of covid at home now, as hospitals are not overwhelmed, and entry levels will be at a lower bar. Of course this was more of a factor in April.

What this tells me is firstly what a dreadful tragedy has befallen our care homes. The numbers of our vulnerable who have died in care homes is huge and it is a national scandal which has political causes as well as medical and I truly hope heads will roll.

Secondly, I assume those dying in hospital in England - the vast majority of whom are in their 80s, with a second tranche aged 60-79 - are those who were not so frail previously that they needed round the clock care in a group home.

Thirdly, if you don't delve into these stats and just listen to the daily deaths, your perception of risk as a 30 or 40 year old who is maybe overweight or has asthma will be skewed. The numbers of people aged under 60 dying of covid in hospital in England are tiny, and have been for weeks and weeks.

This does not mean that the elderly vulnerable were disposable in any way. As I say what has happened has been the most dreadful failure to protect the most vulnerable.

But it does mean that many of us are much more frightened of this illness than necessary for the risk to our own health.

*MIL and FIL are terrified. If they go to the supermarket they WILL get it, if they get it, they WILL die. No debate. Yes they are both over 75, and FIL has a few health issues, but the balance is still very much in their favour. MIL hasn't left the house/garden since 29th February. FIL has been to a couple of GP appointments and to pick something up at Argos. They are quarantining their post, wiping down all shopping with dettol wipes, going nowhere, seeing nobody.

It's no way to live.*

It’s not just the elderly who feel like this. I have a friend who is 59 who is behaving like this. I also know a 29 year old who is about to turn 30 and won’t have any sort of celebration with his family, won’t see his mother , won’t leave the house. He has mild asthma. It’s ridiculous.

@labyrinthloafer actually I am taking it seriously, so your rant was unwarranted.
I wear a face covering, keep my distance from others, I haven’t even stepped foot in s pub. But I am allowed to think the media have stirred this up so much that people are terrified.
Yes, people need to be cautious and take precautions, but on the other hand, I believe there needs to be a balance in reported stories. I honestly don’t think there is.

[quote labyrinthloafer]@drinkingwineoutofamug and as I keep saying please share your true story widely as too many younger people are acting as though it can't be them.[/quote]
But no body wants to know 🤷🏻‍♀️ they want the doom and gloom. They read that it only effects the old. I worked on a covid ward. I would cry walking home seeing people visiting friends houses, parties on the park. All young people. I wanted to scream at them that I had just done a FaceTime goodbye with dying patients. Not all families could get that 1 hour window due to shielding themselves.
Yes I get people want to get back to the old normal, myself included, but I use my common sense. Something some people lack.