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Hoping everyone remembers at the ballot box

162 replies

oldbagface · 31/07/2020 22:23

I really hope we all remember the shit show this bunch have made.

They give zero fucks for us and our loved ones.

NHS workers have been treated with contempt.

Teachers now seem to be new potential cannon fodder along with family members of young people.

Let's hope we all remember. Never voted Tory in my life btw and certainly won't now.

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toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:32

@labyrinthloafer 🤣🤣 the irony

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:36

@toohotz I'm not sure I know what's going on tbh?

RunningFromInsanity · 31/07/2020 23:37

[quote labyrinthloafer]@toohotz I'm not sure I know what's going on tbh?[/quote]
You were telling me how I feel and what I believe...

StatisticalSense · 31/07/2020 23:38

@boys3
I believe the fixed term parliament act fixes the election as the first Thursday in May so the next election is currently scheduled for May 2nd 2024.

VashtaNerada · 31/07/2020 23:39

It’s all so bloody depressing. I don’t understand how anyone could vote Tory. Now or ever.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:41

@labyrinthloafer that explains a lot!

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:43

@RunningFromInsanity yes, I did have my tongue in my cheek though

feelingverylazytoday · 31/07/2020 23:46

Very interesting.
My son, who is a recent politics graduate and a labour/remain voter, believes Boris Johnson is doing a very good job.
But time will tell.
I just wanted to address the poster who said he should have ordered lockdown a week earlier and saved '20,000 lives'. The UK actually peaked 4 days earlier than scientists predicted so he was really only 3 days out. Infections peaked during the week before lockdown, when we were instructed to step up social distancing.

Mindy98 · 01/08/2020 00:40

Keir Starmer was calling for them to lock down before they did. I guess it got missed because he wasn't leader yet.

Mindy98 · 01/08/2020 00:55

The peak date does not mean we were only 3 days out!

Mindy98 · 01/08/2020 00:58

The peak cases by day date was April 10. We locked down on March 23. With a 7-day rolling average the peak was April 14. We would have saved lives if we locked down sooner.

Mindy98 · 01/08/2020 00:59

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Brusselsprouts21 · 01/08/2020 01:03

I think Boris has done OK during the pandemic. He's not been fantastic but i think he's building the knowledge now to learn from past mistakes. I don't think there is anyone who could handle this situation and keep everyone happy. Everyone is out for themselves. I'm british and sometimes i feel ashamed of how entitled we come across. We asked for help financially and we got the CJRS and the government asked us just to simply stay at home and we couldn't even do that. He was clear in his instructions but everyone thought they knew better. Don't blame 1 man, blame the whole country!

labyrinthloafer · 01/08/2020 06:14

@Brusselsprouts21

I think Boris has done OK during the pandemic. He's not been fantastic but i think he's building the knowledge now to learn from past mistakes. I don't think there is anyone who could handle this situation and keep everyone happy. Everyone is out for themselves. I'm british and sometimes i feel ashamed of how entitled we come across. We asked for help financially and we got the CJRS and the government asked us just to simply stay at home and we couldn't even do that. He was clear in his instructions but everyone thought they knew better. Don't blame 1 man, blame the whole country!
I think he's trying a bit harder now because there's open talk in the Conservative Party of changing leader before the next election!

I will not let our PM off the hook, and I will not blame the whole country. I do have 'views' about people who breach rules - but the PM kept Cummings which shows he thinks it is fine to break the rules. You can't criticise others for doing what their 'leaders' do. Everyone was told they can use their common sense. This was done not to achieve a good outcome but to cynically move blame from the PM. It's not going to work with me.

I deserve a better PM. I accept I shan't get one for a while yet!

confusedandold · 01/08/2020 06:37

I vote Green and have never voted Tory but I do think Labour would have done better. For a start, love him or hate him, Corbyn would have been at every Cobra meeting and would have made sure that he listened to the Scientists back in January. Again, love him or hate him, he is a very hard worker and would not have been taking holidays in February.
I think we would have seen an earlier lockdown which would have saved lives and I think he would have had a similar approach to the NZ PM and would have put lives over the economy during the initial stages.

I suspect that we would have had a track and trace up sooner as they would have looked more closely at what other countries were doing rather than jobs for the boys and using that waste of space Dido or whatever her name is. I believe schools would have been a high priority also. Apart from that, there would have been little that they could have done in a few weeks of power to overcome the underfunding of schools and hospitals or lack of PPI. I also believe that if they'd got in power and done a far better job than we are seeing now, they would have got a far worse hammering that we see the Tory's getting.

Wecandothis99 · 01/08/2020 06:40

Ooh goody another one. Bore off

toohotz · 01/08/2020 06:58

We would have saved lives if we locked down sooner.

I think we would have seen an earlier lockdown which would have saved lives and I think he would have had a similar approach to the NZ PM and would have put lives over the economy during the initial stages

How much earlier should they have locked down?

MoreW1ne · 01/08/2020 07:11

Most believe or would like to think labour would have done better. Trouble is these people also seem to post opinions thinking they could have done a better job themselves Hmm

Theres definitely been things that could have been done better but putting Corbyn in charge certainly wouldn't have been one of them.

labyrinthloafer · 01/08/2020 07:23

I basically locked down voluntarily ten days before the government, because I thought they should have locked down nationally.

Also I was Shock at people returning from Italy but only having to quarantine with symptoms.

We discussed this a lot at work as many colleagues went skiing and we talked about them potentially spreading it. We were already being wary. I knew someone who felt concerned at getting the train from Heathrow but had no one who could collect him, and it wasn't against guidance.

I spoke with friends in N Italy who were aghast that no one would heed what they were saying.

labyrinthloafer · 01/08/2020 07:24

Agree about Corbyn, but labour has a new leader now,so I like to gloss over the Corbyn and go Miliband -> Starmer Grin

wetandmiserable · 01/08/2020 07:28

God I love all the people saying lets blame each other rather than those actually in charge. That's just what they want you to do. So depressing. Someone's fictional son is a lefty remainer but thinks boris has done a great job? Yeah right!

When the lockdown was first introduced people were hugely compliant. It was when the mixed messages and the Cummings fiasco started that it went a bit wobbly but overall I'd say the majority want to be safe.

And did someone say May was sycophantic to Trump?? And these aren't? The whole Huawei thing was at his behest
The non existent track and trace app that has cost a fortune when other countries have cheaper that have worked, England officially tops excess deaths chart, contracts given to cronies,the stench of corruption (jennrick), now Johnson wants to employ a spokesperson to do his fucking job for him, Sunack's patchy scheme that's going to abruptly end with redundancy for many very soon and didn't include everyone in need, dumping people back in care homes And lying saying there was a protective ring around them, his dismal pmqs appearances...the list could go on and on.

Uurrggh As I said, callous or stupid to vote for this lot.

confusedandold · 01/08/2020 07:31

I'm living overseas so watched it pan out in the UK from afar. I was taking quite close note of what was going on in the UK. It felt, at the time, taking into account what was going on in France, Italy etc that the UK was about 10-14 days late in locking down. I was aghast that Cheltenham was going on (whatever date that was). I also recall watching the press conference where Boris said that he had to level with the public and that we needed to prepare to 'lose loved ones', I think it was around 12th March. It was around this time that lockdown seemed the way to go and it felt long overdue by the time it happened around 23rd.

labyrinthloafer · 01/08/2020 07:31

Grin Someone's fictional son is a lefty remainer but thinks boris has done a great job? Yeah right!

totalpeas22 · 01/08/2020 07:34

The picture of the new labour leader and his deputy kneeling to ‘support’ the violent rioters will be shown endlessly and people will walk away. Big mistake.

toohotz · 01/08/2020 07:44

It felt, at the time, taking into account what was going on in France, Italy etc that the UK was about 10-14 days late in locking down.

See I'm just not sure how lockdown could have happened that early. Yes on paper it may well have been best thing to do but in reality I think the public were just not scared enough at that time.

I think in Italy on the 09/03 deaths were about 100 & zero in the UK so rightly or wrongly I don't think it was scary enough. I think we needed fear to get the public to comply as it couldn't possibly be enforced. Do you think the public would have complied that early?