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Hoping everyone remembers at the ballot box

162 replies

oldbagface · 31/07/2020 22:23

I really hope we all remember the shit show this bunch have made.

They give zero fucks for us and our loved ones.

NHS workers have been treated with contempt.

Teachers now seem to be new potential cannon fodder along with family members of young people.

Let's hope we all remember. Never voted Tory in my life btw and certainly won't now.

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KingFredsTache · 31/07/2020 23:01

Yeah I do think that Labour would have locked down earlier, regardless of whether it was the best thing to do, because it would have looked better at the time. Who knows really though how they would have handled it.

Thanks to Corbyn, Owen Jones, Momentum etc destroying the Labour Party and making them unelectable for so many people, we will never know.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:03

It’s impossible to get this right it’s walking a tight rope between the health of the population and crashing the economy. You can’t win.

I agree & so much has been unknown. The gov has made mistakes of course but I'm not sure labour wouldn't have.

Look how divided opinion is amongst the population. Some want everything back to normal, some want masks to be enforced etc.

solidaritea · 31/07/2020 23:05

@bumblingbovine49 I think your post is very astute, especially about the reaction of right-leaning voters if Labour had developed an identical furlough scheme. I think reactions to Lockdown may have been less positive too, as more people might have tried the "this state can't tell me what to do" approach. I voted for Corbyn, but I think it would have been dangerous if he were prime minister right now, due to public response.

strawberrymilkshakemonkey · 31/07/2020 23:06

corbyn/labour would have prioritized 'people over profit' seemingly. even though profit doesn't come into it. it's about protecting the economy, because if that collapses, even more deaths, homelessness, hunger and unemployment will be caused. such a stupid slogan.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:07

I believe they would have closed things down far more quickly and earlier as they would have been less scared of upsetting the status quo.

How much earlier? From memory most people in the final week before lockdown had taken kids out of school & were working from home.

Imo the population had to want to comply & enforce lockdown since it was impossible to police in the traditional sense.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:08

Even if you're Conservative through and through, if you hate Labour, there is NO WAY you think this government has done well in this pandemic. Everyone, even those voting for Johnson, knows he is massively out of his depth.

The Conservative party are already discussing changing leader before the next election.

Brand Labour was badly hit, but Starmer's ratings are ok.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 31/07/2020 23:08

The ballot box is nigh on five years away, we’ll all be arguing over something completely different by then.

Newjez · 31/07/2020 23:11

@byvirtue

The opposition have been notably quiet through all this.

It’s a god awful mess that nobody would want to touch politically speaking. I don’t think the tories have done a good job, but I doubt I’d have been impressed with the oppositions response either. It’s impossible to get this right it’s walking a tight rope between the health of the population and crashing the economy. You can’t win.

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

Actually, labour have been critical when necessary, but generally the opposition hold back during times of war and national crisis. Unity and all that.

I remember Corbyn at Grenfell tower. He showed compassion that the Tories wouldn't have been capable of. I'm certainly not a Corbyn fan, but those leaders who put people before profit have done better, and may actually do better economically.

But if we had to have Tories, if Rory had been leader we would have done much better. I hope he gets London mayor.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:12

And I bet they would have done a fairer support, like a national emergency wage for everyone, rather than giving varying amounts of furlough income to some people, but nothing extra to key workers/workers from home

I wfh & have a job & saved money on transport etc. Why should I get more from the gov?

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:13

I also however think they would have got.more flack for ' ruining the economy' and imagine they would have been accused of being 'communists' if they had come up with anything like the furlough scheme.

I think that's probably true.

RunningFromInsanity · 31/07/2020 23:14

No point the government imposing lockdown a week earlier if no one adheres to it.
People couldn’t stay inside to save lives. People can’t even wear a fucking mask to save lives.
The government hasn’t caused those deaths, the selfishness of its citizens did.

Boris kept schools open to help parents and people were furious.
Boris closed schools to save lives, people were furious.
Boris kept things open to help the economy, people were furious.
Boris put us in lockdown and people were furious.

Tories didn’t create this virus. It’s unprecedented. Governments all over the world are dealing with it differently, with different outcomes, making mistakes as they go.
It’s not specific to a Tory government.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:15

@toohotz

And I bet they would have done a fairer support, like a national emergency wage for everyone, rather than giving varying amounts of furlough income to some people, but nothing extra to key workers/workers from home

I wfh & have a job & saved money on transport etc. Why should I get more from the gov?

I think the poster meant for those not working, presumably you didn't need furlough.
boys3 · 31/07/2020 23:16

@WinterAndRoughWeather

The ballot box is nigh on five years away, we’ll all be arguing over something completely different by then.
indeed; presumably Thursday 9th Dec 2024 until they get round to changing the Fixed Term Parliament Act(I don't think they have yet),and may well even think " well a Christmas election worked out well last time......... "
labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:17

@RunningFromInsanity

No point the government imposing lockdown a week earlier if no one adheres to it. People couldn’t stay inside to save lives. People can’t even wear a fucking mask to save lives. The government hasn’t caused those deaths, the selfishness of its citizens did.

Boris kept schools open to help parents and people were furious.
Boris closed schools to save lives, people were furious.
Boris kept things open to help the economy, people were furious.
Boris put us in lockdown and people were furious.

Tories didn’t create this virus. It’s unprecedented. Governments all over the world are dealing with it differently, with different outcomes, making mistakes as they go.
It’s not specific to a Tory government.

In your heart I believe you know that Johnson is the worst PM Britain has had.
RaspberryToupee · 31/07/2020 23:18

By the time the next election is here, I will vote for the party with the strongest manifesto that I believe will get us out of this mess.

At the moment, I really like Kier Starmer but it completely depends on the policies he suggests at the time. Personally, I think voting should take into account the policies, not just whether you are a life long labour and what that means or a life long Tory and what that means. Then again, I’m a floating vote and I hate to generalise on parties or those who vote for a specific party as they all have their failings.

RandyLionandDirtyDog · 31/07/2020 23:19

Ireland had a caretaker government at the start of the pandemic yet managed to run rings around the pathetic performance of the U.K. govt.

The Tories are a complete disaster.

GarlicSoup · 31/07/2020 23:21

Yes I will remember and therefore will vote Tory.

RunningFromInsanity · 31/07/2020 23:27

In your heart I believe you know that Johnson is the worst PM Britain has had. Not at all. I think Teresa May was pathetic in her handling of Brexit and her sycophantic attitude towards Trump.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:27

@labyrinthloafer did I misinterpret this part of that posters post?

but nothing extra to key workers/workers from home

MyPersona · 31/07/2020 23:28

Labour would have cared. And I bet they would have done a fairer support, like a national emergency wage for everyone, rather than giving varying amounts of furlough income to some people, but nothing extra to key workers/workers from home

Why would someone who’s worked throughout need extra from the government? People who’ve worked from home are better off as they’ve saved commuting costs. Senseless, honestly.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:29

@RunningFromInsanity

In your heart I believe you know that Johnson is the worst PM Britain has had. Not at all. I think Teresa May was pathetic in her handling of Brexit and her sycophantic attitude towards Trump.
You do really. You listen to his bumbling rubbish, and see his dozy confusion, and hear those dreadful childish jokes.
labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:30

[quote toohotz]@labyrinthloafer did I misinterpret this part of that posters post?

but nothing extra to key workers/workers from home[/quote]
I don't know, maybe I did.

toohotz · 31/07/2020 23:31

@labyrinthloafer

Maybe read posts before you challenge them....

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 23:31

[quote toohotz]@labyrinthloafer

Maybe read posts before you challenge them....[/quote]
Alright, keep your hair on

Lindy2 · 31/07/2020 23:32

I definitely didn't hear Labour coming up with any useful suggestions as we approached lockdown. They were too busy sorting out their leadership issues to actually be involved.